I thought Atletico had pulled out!
European Super League
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I thought Atletico had pulled out!
Current owners would be entitled to pocket the amount if they sold any shares?
I wonder if this would've succeeded had they had promotion and relegation.
I am not at all sure that I buy this - it was only done to put pressure on UEFA story.
If it was correct, it was a massively stupid and high risk way of doing it. Akin to cutting your nose off to split your face.
No. There was far more to it than that.
For these 6 clubs, they have demonstrated to their global fanbase that they are totally and completely out of touch with reality. And lost a huge amount of good will.
What Manchester United desparately need to do is to reconnect with their supporters. That means better understanding what their supporters do and don't want.
Their rediculous policy of not communicating with them has ended up with this damaging fiasco.
That policy simply has to be replaced with one of openness and accessibility.
Every other customer facing business is jumping through hoops to get closer to their customers. And any that operate as awfully as the Glazers would be out of business.
If it was correct, it was a massively stupid and high risk way of doing it. Akin to cutting your nose off to split your face.
No. There was far more to it than that.
For these 6 clubs, they have demonstrated to their global fanbase that they are totally and completely out of touch with reality. And lost a huge amount of good will.
What Manchester United desparately need to do is to reconnect with their supporters. That means better understanding what their supporters do and don't want.
Their rediculous policy of not communicating with them has ended up with this damaging fiasco.
That policy simply has to be replaced with one of openness and accessibility.
Every other customer facing business is jumping through hoops to get closer to their customers. And any that operate as awfully as the Glazers would be out of business.
Agreed. Uefa should be looked at too in all of this.
I don’t think the Spanish ownership system allows them to sell shares and picket the money.
If you’re talking about listed clubs, that’s true. The Glazers can sell shares and pocket the money
Every club lost money. UEFA didn't and yet they are acting all sanctimonious and above the concept of greed.
Interesting. Do you have a link to a resource where I can read more about it?
Makes sense. Was Woodward among the protesters too on the training complex?
Yeah and that would go against every employment rule in force in Europe in general, and could be challenged. I think what we need more is something like an audit structure. Show us you are fit to compete by having a balanced budget as a minimum, with debt level in check and below a certain %, or your FC license is stripped away for this year, and relegated to the last division.
Or something like that. But these are corporate level restriction based on the budget as opposed to capping expenses.
I wasn't being overly serious about this.
I've always wanted some form of Super League, at least for the past 20 years. I thought it would be the only realistic way to keep big clubs from smaller Leagues competitive.
There was also at some point a discussion about an Atlantic League which seemed a very interesting alternative for clubs like ours. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_League_(football) but it was never remotely considered by authorities.
After a few years of seeing that my team couldn't hold to any half-decent player for more than two seasons and the oldest player in the squad was with us for 4 seasons I just lost interest. Porto actually have managed to remain relatively competitive with a couple of QF CL appearances but it always seems stretched so thin and a few years away from Celtic levels of irrelevance.
It's one thing to lose your best players to a dozen of European giants, losing half your squad to the likes of Wolverhampton it's just not compatible with maintaining the same level of interest as a fan. For what concerns clubs like Porto, the SuperLeague already exists and we are locked out of it as well. Newer generations of football fans support foreign clubs.
So yeah, I always hoped for an earthquake, it never came.
That quote you got from me was just an oversimplification of this. For a couple of days football became interesting to me, even if for all the wrong reasons.
The crucial difference from a Trump supporter is that this doesn't negatively impact my life. It probably wouldn't even negatively impact Porto at all.
Like I've said before, I understand why the Spanish and Italians would want a Super League. They just can't keep up with the English leagues.
Losing players to the likes of Wolves must be galling considering you're FC Porto. But Wolves etc have been put in the positions that they are because English clubs have been doing things the right way, in terms of distribution of TV money at least, for decades.
I don't know about the Portuguese leagues, but the Spanish big two screwed over their fellow clubs and the whole league with their business models and TV deal. Where are the likes of Valencia, Deportivo, etc now?
Some kind of pan European league would probably come into existence in our lifetimes. It's kind of inevitable.
I see but didn't the esl have as part of the structure, an agreed limit of no more than 55 percent of turnover to be spent on transfers, wages and agents fees etc.
I lived for 4 years in Spain and met countless Barca and Real fans. The majority seem to think that they actually help the smaller clubs survive by buying players off them. They feel it is how the ecosystem works. The smaller clubs exist so that they can produce players which Real and Barca can pick off, they get money and can continue investing in producing more players, while the top 2 can keep buying the best and staying at the top. That keeps everyone happy according to them. So it really was no surprise to me that Spain was where people seemed most in favor of this league.
Who knows, maybe Spain would accept but it could get challenged at every level elsewhere?
I like Carlo and nobody has won more Champions Leagues than him. A well balanced take (although as one of the comments says, he was so angry/surprised about the ESL that he raised both of his eyebrows):
Certainly can’t find it, but my understanding is that these Spanish fans don’t actually each own a share in the club the way shareholders do. They just get to vote on big decisions like the president
Was solely behind innovation of the game to rid of UEFA as an institution from football.
Prague's player gets a 10 game ban for a humans right violation in being racist along with showing no regards for equality. Andre Onana gets a 12 month ban for mistakenly taking the wrong prescription medication which UEFA had acknowledged in the hearing but still issued a more severe punishment for an issue that's of less significance in the grand scheme of things.
If there's a hope after all this super league malarkey it's that a smart individual or group can find a way to undermine UEFA and offer a good alternative which is competitive in business model that can still align the domestic / cup successes.
Prague's player gets a 10 game ban for a humans right violation in being racist along with showing no regards for equality. Andre Onana gets a 12 month ban for mistakenly taking the wrong prescription medication which UEFA had acknowledged in the hearing but still issued a more severe punishment for an issue that's of less significance in the grand scheme of things.
If there's a hope after all this super league malarkey it's that a smart individual or group can find a way to undermine UEFA and offer a good alternative which is competitive in business model that can still align the domestic / cup successes.
Just came here to post this. Mes que un club indeed. Barcelona way and all that. If it wasn't so funny it would be sad watching them turn any trick requested for a buck.
Where is Sevilla now? Winning the EL.
It is possible for clubs to be mismanaged. It happens in the PL too. Spain had a horrible financial crisis from 2008 to 2016 and anyone who was unlucky enough to get in trouble around the same time would have struggled to recover.
I think everyone already knew what their stance in this was as a Super League would have been great news for them but still recognize it requires some revisions and a different competitive format.
How can a small team Like Wolves make more money in TV rights than a big club like Porto?
Not surprised the Spanish and Italian clubs would choose to die on this hill.
Qatar won the war against the big 12. It was always a war for power.
Comedy from Mes Que Un Club. They and the saviour of football have divided their fanbase like no other. You just need to look at twitter and forums.
I got one advice for those clubs. If you pay big wages / transfers for players without your economy going down you have to rethink about how you lead your companies.
Didn't he say something else last January?
I'm not sure. I don't believe so, but I don't know really. I know Bartomeu before him pushed for the Super League to become a reality and Laporta basically signed it when he seen the figures involved.
What happens to JPMorgan now?
Didn't he say something else last January?
Yes he did but it was more like a political speech to go against Bartomeu and get more fan approval. Is what politicians do.
Amazing how far Barcelona have fallen.
Now that we are not involved anymore, is it wrong to say that i want to see Barca, Real, Juve really form the ESL and play among themselves 20 times a year?
Barcelona and Real Madrid seeming think they are to big to fail, what they need is to learn some humility and some fiscal responsibility.
Barcelona especially I've been to the Nou Camp fairly recently and its needs the same amount of work if not more than OT, the debt they have doesn't comes from a dodgy takeover like us its just from rank overspending on players and wages which was precisely the thing that FFP was meant to stop.
This is incredibly petty of me but I hope both end up having to sell everyone and lose everything
Barcelona especially I've been to the Nou Camp fairly recently and its needs the same amount of work if not more than OT, the debt they have doesn't comes from a dodgy takeover like us its just from rank overspending on players and wages which was precisely the thing that FFP was meant to stop.
This is incredibly petty of me but I hope both end up having to sell everyone and lose everything