I'm surprised you and many others are only just starting to realize (or remember) this. The handful of Madrid fans on this forum do not represent the match going, handkerchief waving, whistling cnuts who really do think they have a god given right to dominate Spanish football.
European Super League
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These three teams have had somewhat of a hegemony in their respective leagues. They want a continuation of riches.
Have the Spanish teams & Juve ejected yet, or are they still associated with SL?
What are their rationalizations?
I think they wanted guarenteed money with no chance of failure. Pathetic really but they wanted no risk ie: no relegation.
I agree with your idea though. A revamped CL with teams coming in and out and getting in on merit and not wasting time with the group stage games (as there is less teams involved in the first place) would be applauded. That's what the fans want the CL to be now instead UEFA increasing the size of it..
They may not tell you straight away, but it's " they're losing ground to the like of PSG, due to FFP is this useless". Remember their model is based on getting the best players there is. Competing with oil money in long term is impossible with self generating revenue, and the way CL (TV) money distributed.
I think there is truth in this. We all heard about this article https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41695802.amp
So it costs a lot to try to go deep or win CL, but UEFA formula to distribute the money may leave the winner with less money than a lesser teams. In other words, those cash cow teams for UEFA ain't paid fair enough for their contribution. It's tough enough to compete against oil money(1). A few misstep season (missing out CL football), may be the beginning of the end for them, with them not generating enough revenue for their expense for their ambition.(2). Teams that draw huge crowds yet not playing in the most prestige competition is waste chance to make money for not only themselves, but other teams in the competition(3).
These 3 points are the key point of this ESL. The TV money will be distributed fairly based on contribution (attracting more crowd). Popular teams are ensured entry, so they can have money to upkeep their teams (in reality among these teams there are some teams, that don't want to spend all the money on their teams); and their popularity would help boosting the profile of the competition, thus earning more money for them, and other teams in the competition.
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Thanks!
You're basically a Trump voter. Not watched a game in 4 years but wants to feck up the entirety of European football because, well, because. Fecking hell and Perez wanted to make the likes of that the focus of the new league
Definitely talking about city, he's talking about how the club is saying ESL would kill the domestic leagues, City have used that to back out of the deal. United wouldn't be saying that, we're one of the driving forces of the ESL plan.
Just read some stuff Perez said and together with the stuff he said earlier (and I'm convinced one of the reasons the whole SL story fell apart is the crap he was spouting around) all I can say is: the crap he spouts from his gob is astonishing.
Teams which should have been in the league earned it on the pitch and he continues with - they have the most followers on social networks. So a team like Ajax shouldn't be there but Arsenal and Spurs should base on social networks. Proves all which is wrong in modern football. Same goes for the likes of Milan for example who just lost to Sassuolo.
And the biggest clubs being under the red shouldn't be allowed. Well mr. Perez you didnt think about that while throwing money around on shiny new players and giving them huge salaries all the while being in big debt.
He wants to continue to spend like a mad man all the while someone else pays for it. That goes for all other clubs including ours. We have spend incredible amount in the last 7, 8 years and gave huge salaries to average players.
Fergie must be livid we went to bed to that mob and I'm livid too we were the driving force in the whole story. Ed has done so much shit left right and centre and it's good he's leaving but nothing will change until Glazers go out of our club..
On the other hand Uefa isn't a good guy in all of this, on the contrary. They created this monsters by trying to implement famous FFP which was a dead letter on a paper in the end.
PL too by allowing states, billionaires and whoever wants to club to come to the league, take control of the clubs without any control or restriction.
I dont like new CL format either, it was created to suit the big clubs but they want some more power. I'm old school, CL should have stayed in a 16 champions format, hell its called Champions league after all. If not current format wasnt that bad they needed to scrap it once again.
And Ceferin who was all about how big snakes Ed and Agnelli are was more than happy to say how City is important to them and welcomed them back.
What to say about Fifa.. Infantino and his remarks about how Quatar arranged their human rights stuff and that 2022 will be the best WC ever. The cheek on that guy, my God.
Teams which should have been in the league earned it on the pitch and he continues with - they have the most followers on social networks. So a team like Ajax shouldn't be there but Arsenal and Spurs should base on social networks. Proves all which is wrong in modern football. Same goes for the likes of Milan for example who just lost to Sassuolo.
And the biggest clubs being under the red shouldn't be allowed. Well mr. Perez you didnt think about that while throwing money around on shiny new players and giving them huge salaries all the while being in big debt.
He wants to continue to spend like a mad man all the while someone else pays for it. That goes for all other clubs including ours. We have spend incredible amount in the last 7, 8 years and gave huge salaries to average players.
Fergie must be livid we went to bed to that mob and I'm livid too we were the driving force in the whole story. Ed has done so much shit left right and centre and it's good he's leaving but nothing will change until Glazers go out of our club..
On the other hand Uefa isn't a good guy in all of this, on the contrary. They created this monsters by trying to implement famous FFP which was a dead letter on a paper in the end.
PL too by allowing states, billionaires and whoever wants to club to come to the league, take control of the clubs without any control or restriction.
I dont like new CL format either, it was created to suit the big clubs but they want some more power. I'm old school, CL should have stayed in a 16 champions format, hell its called Champions league after all. If not current format wasnt that bad they needed to scrap it once again.
And Ceferin who was all about how big snakes Ed and Agnelli are was more than happy to say how City is important to them and welcomed them back.
What to say about Fifa.. Infantino and his remarks about how Quatar arranged their human rights stuff and that 2022 will be the best WC ever. The cheek on that guy, my God.
That doesn't surprise me, most Real Madrid fans I've come across are so arrogant.
The reasons why some Spanish clubs want it to happen is because they're in huge trouble financially and the standard of La Liga has dropped off.
Papers saying Woodward quit because he was against the ESL - need a rethink, maybe the Super League was a good idea after all!
@carvajal Gracias crack!
What's interesting is that he says they've been working on this for three years and it's borne out of the problems in Spanish football.
Not European football, Spanish football.
The more you read, the more it looks like this is a Spanish project and the English clubs just tacked on because they thought they could make a quick buck.
Hence why Florentino was president, hence why the league was going to be based in Spain and hence why they've still not pulled out.
Reckon we're going to see how truly fecked they are in the next few months.
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Among the many terrible aspects of The Super League one of the things that really annoyed me was that it's clear the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona are absolutely skint. La Liga has dropped well off in popularity in the last few years and both clubs are in huge trouble.
For the first time in a generation we've probably reached a point where Madrid and Barca can no longer just go and cherry pick the best players in the world.
And yet we were all in favour of joining this super league and effectively saving them. Just to make some quick money. They didn't give a shit about saving football, they just wanted to save themselves.
Totally.
Think we can forget Haaland going to either of those clubs this summer.
De nada socio!. Spain and Italy I would say, and Ceferin attacking Madrid is fuel for the story.
Besides, Barcelona is in the same boat (because Florentino is the face but surely 10 of those teams and some more are waiting to see what happens).
I don't think Madrid is that bad financially . I imagine that leaving a legacy, as Bernabéu did, is also an important motivation
It would help if there was a cap on wages and fees. Wasn't part of the esl proposals a percentage cap of 55 percent agreed to be spent on players fees.
It's probably not viable because you'd need every club in Europe agreeing to it but it would be a good thing.
It's probably not viable because you'd need every club in Europe agreeing to it but it would be a good thing.
More fodder for those arguing it was all some Machiavellian plot to increase influence. (sarcasm)
Hope Barca and Real are struggling and this is a big blow to them. Rotten clubs.
I would love nothing more than to see those clubs go bankrupt. What is funny is that people think they can buy Mbappe and Håland, when in actual fact they're struggling to buy Eric Garcia for €5m.
So, the world saviour still talking about it like football don’t exist beside Real Madrid and few other sides.
You're basically a Trump voter. Not watched a game in 4 years but wants to feck up the entirety of European football because, well, because. Fecking hell and Perez wanted to make the likes of that the focus of the new league
I wasn't being overly serious about this. I've always wanted some form of Super League, at least for the past 20 years. I thought it would be the only realistic way to keep big clubs from smaller Leagues competitive.
There was also at some point a discussion about an Atlantic League which seemed a very interesting alternative for clubs like ours. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_League_(football) but it was never remotely considered by authorities.
After a few years of seeing that my team couldn't hold to any half-decent player for more than two seasons and the oldest player in the squad was with us for 4 seasons I just lost interest. Porto actually have managed to remain relatively competitive with a couple of QF CL appearances but it always seems stretched so thin and a few years away from Celtic levels of irrelevance.
It's one thing to lose your best players to a dozen of European giants, losing half your squad to the likes of Wolverhampton it's just not compatible with maintaining the same level of interest as a fan. For what concerns clubs like Porto, the SuperLeague already exists and we are locked out of it as well. Newer generations of football fans support foreign clubs.
So yeah, I always hoped for an earthquake, it never came.
That quote you got from me was just an oversimplification of this. For a couple of days football became interesting to me, even if for all the wrong reasons.
The crucial difference from a Trump supporter is that this doesn't negatively impact my life. It probably wouldn't even negatively impact Porto at all.
These rotten clubs are the only ones in european football with 100 % in membership possession. Thats the original idea of clubs by the way, maybe you have forgotten. Where would the PL clubs be without their sugardaddys? It's easy to judge other clubs in terms of money, if you have someone who pays everything for you.
If both clubs would sell at least the same amount of shares Bayern did (25 %) they would be debt free tomorrow.
Uefa takes every season over 700 million € of the CL money for themselfs. That money is generated only by the clubs on the field and Uefa takes that money for organizing a tournament. This is not rotten? But yeah, those 2 clubs are the bad guys here, because they want to break out of the mafia structures.
Where is the shitstorm against the rotten uefa? I don't see any, and thats makes everything that happend in the last few days hypocritical in my eyes.
I'm glad
It's a lot easier to understand this, thanks for elaborating! However isn't Porto a good example of what would be lost if the superleague really had been formed? 2004 could never have happened. Granted, the way things are going now it's not likely to happen again anytime soon either, but at least it could. My own support for United started when they beat the team I hated, and I hated that team (Bayern) for pretty much the same reasons you feel locked out now, buying all of our players (Karlsruher SC) right in my formative years as a child. But all of that only happened because they were all in the same, bigger, "structure", and I'd hate for that to be lost. (And recently I've had to defend Bayern on here because of this stupid superleague and feel dirty and ashamed of myself because of it).
yeah, he reluctantly was the vice president in the whole ordeal..
He is like a crack addict, thinks everyone else is wrong and doesn't know how to fix his own problems.
He basically thinks the solution is we all keep giving him more money so he can continue outspending other clubs.
That is not how debt works.
So which 2 teams do you think they'll be rocking up at in a post FFP world instead then?
So glad to his whole thing collapsed on its arse. Having had a quick browse at a few fan forums Juve, Barca etc. It seems these lot are extremely bitter and jealous of the PL claiming it’s already a “Super League” and we just want to keep it all to ourselves.
The whole thing stinks, throwing their toys out the pram because they can’t sign the latest shiny new toy and are no longer the top dogs that can just bully everyone else and sign whoever they want. Just like Perez and co they’re only out for themselves and feck the rest of them.
The whole thing stinks, throwing their toys out the pram because they can’t sign the latest shiny new toy and are no longer the top dogs that can just bully everyone else and sign whoever they want. Just like Perez and co they’re only out for themselves and feck the rest of them.
So glad to his whole thing collapsed on its arse. Having had a quick browse at a few fan forums Juve, Barca etc. It seems these lot are extremely bitter and jealous of the PL claiming it’s already a “Super League” and we just want to keep it all to ourselves.
The whole thing stinks, throwing their toys out the pram because they can’t sign the latest shiny new toy and are no longer the top dogs that can just bully everyone else and sign whoever they want. Just like Perez and co they’re only out for themselves and feck the rest of them.
so basically they are complaining that they aren't based in England
so basically they are complaining that they aren't based in England
The whole thing just stinks of jealousy. They look at how well the PL is doing and the players and managers it attracts and want a slice of the pie for themselves because no one gives a shite about their own leagues and the fact their own clubs have been terribly mismanaged.
Is there another club as greedy and self-centered as Real and Barca? Any issues with debt or the popularity of Spanish football has been of their own making.
I can't believe Perez is still talking about Mbappe.
I can't believe Perez is still talking about Mbappe.
I would be surprised if some people in the front office at Chelsea are not sent packing if this is true.\
Whose heads? Who's to blame that Roman is too out of touch with reality to expect this kind of backlash?
yeah, he reluctantly was the vice president in the whole ordeal..
He wasn't. It was Joel Glazer who was the vice president.
Since his Visa was denied it is pretty well known that Roman is not very involved with the day to day running of the club. He is definitely out of touch.
That is how it works, if they sold 25% of shares in a stock listing, they can easily repay those loans.
Feck off! What a pile of shite “No idea of the reaction” What kind of reaction did he expect exactly? It’s like closing the barn door after the horse has bolted, the damage has already been done Roman don’t try and wheedle your way out now.
Wonder who the three in favour were.