European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?

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Ståle Solbakken (Norway Manager):
"In recent years [Juventus] have been knocked out by Lyon, Porto and Ajax in the Champions League. Why the feck should they be in such a tournament then? Tottenham and Arsenal are currently, probably not, among the 20-30 best teams in Europe"
 
sullydnl said:
It wasn't just that people thought an ESL was a bad idea, they also thought this version of an ESL was particularly terrible.
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Yep - this too.

I know people who - kind of - wouldn't have been absolutely against a "super league" in some shape or form...but even those people hated this particular idea.

Basically, the very model (where there's no relegation, etc.) clearly doesn't sit well at all with football fans (or should I say "soccer"). Whether they're online gamers or old farts.
 
Matt851 said:
Doesnt this have a lot to do with the decision to remove it from the free to air list in the uk, making it difficult and expensive to access. Im iny mid 30s and only a few of my friends still watch the cl due to that reason

It seems like it is a result of uefa etc chasing more lucrative contracts in the short term which ultinately damages interest in their competition in the long term. Can imagine the cl being a continuotatin of that
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Yes, you are most likely correct I would think. Live broadcast models are changing across the industry as well.

Brwned said:
What are they?
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It was something like 10-12% less than the older age group. So, relatively significant.
 






Looks like Barcelona are still not necessarily letting this go, and who can blame them? Their finances are in a terrible position.
 
Must say that I am simply extremely proud of all United fans (and obviously football fans) due to how we’ve all banded together as one to get this idea firmly thrown out the window. Just goes to show the power of fans. If we keep going and protesting, we could get these elitist CL reforms off the table too. They’re better than the Super League, but still awful. Then you have other issues in football like racism. If we protest and ensure that the organisations have to clamp down hard on the abusers, then they will and after a few life bans, you’ll see it slowly disappear from our game.

This Super League might rear its ugly head again, but who’s scared? When virtually everybody unites against a few people, it’s common sense as to who will end up winning.

Credit goes to:

1) Every single fan who protested, whether by going out to stadiums, on social media, fan forums etc. All of us are football, and I know we can do more to purify the game further and make it as good as possible. United fans have already driven Woodward out!

2) Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher, what a job they have done. Great pundits despite what many have said, and clearly also men of the people. Gary in particular for essentially making himself a leader and spokesperson for all fans.

3) Pep and Klopp. To have the guts to speak out against their employers, no matter club allegiances, is extremely courageous. Now that normality is thankfully resumed, I hope Pep bottles the title for us and Klopp fails to make top 4 :lol:

4) Every single player who led dressing room revolts to force their own employers to drastically u-turn like Bruno, Maguire, Henderson, Bellerin etc, and also every player who spoke out, including Milner and Bamford. Latter even managed to protest against racism while sticking up for the fans. Absolutely magnificent. Of course, I hope he misses 10 sitters on Sunday! Seriously though, the courage of these players to speak out even though their wages might have increased if they didn’t (bar Bamford) out of their love for competition, football and us fans is something to be widely admired.

All in all, this is a victory for football.
 
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This reads like an empty statement, honestly. So they're attentive to what everyone's saying, yet they haven't said how they'll act.
 
So it looks like AC Milan and Juventus are still committed to this. I can see why Perez is still feeling committed to this, now.
 
TheReligion said:
Of course they are. They changed their badge to a fecking J.
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I was expecting Inter to stick around as well (before the news bites from last night) given how they're all about going against the convention and trying to be different. It looks like they couldn't commit to their own mantra. :lol:
 
Joel Glazer's open letter to all United fans:


The whole letter feels quite hollow and something that probably wouldn't even fly in America, but at least he can now say that said something about this whole thing.

The apology:
 
While the ESL wasn't quite the right solution, if you take a step back and look at the big picture, the rigged system today is far worse long term economically for fans and is a slow death to football as we know it.

Any rich investor can come in, pump money, raise costs for everyone in the football pyramid. The impact to ALL fans is rising cost of watching games on TV, attending games, and buying merchandise.

Most modern sport leagues counter this by implementing a salary cap of sorts. But UEFA is corrupt and has shown they won't do this.

So don't empathize with the greedy broadcasters and corrupt UEFA who stand to make the most from maintaining status quo. A 50+1 ownership is the BEST step to solving this. And our best shot to get that was through an escalation between ESL and UEFA. With ESL disbanding, things will return to the status quo and the need for overhaul will be lost.
 
mazhar13 said:
Joel Glazer's open letter to all United fans:


The whole letter feels quite hollow and something that probably wouldn't even fly in America, but at least he can now say that said something about this whole thing.

The apology:
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Someone tell Simon Stone to tell them to get fecked
 
mazhar13 said:
Joel Glazer's open letter to all United fans:


The whole letter feels quite hollow and something that probably wouldn't even fly in America, but at least he can now say that said something about this whole thing.

The apology:
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Dancfc said:


I wonder if Neville and Linekar will give this the same energy.
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This coeficient bullshit is EXACTLY how the basketball euroleague started and it ended with a de facto closed european league. If thats the route, in less than 10 years will progressively implement more restrictions till it will be a ESL but ruled by FIFA. So even worse than what had been proposed

Will happen justvmore silent and the fans will barely protest because it will be with small increments instead of the shock that the ESL caused in the last 3 days
 
4bars said:
This coeficient bullshit is EXACTLY how the basketball euroleague started and it ended with a de facto closed european league. If thats the route, in less than 10 years will progressively implement more restrictions till it will be a ESL but ruled by FIFA. So even worse than what had been proposed

Will happen justvmore silent and the fans will barely protest because it will be with small increments instead of the shock that the ESL caused in the last 3 days
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It will still be custodian UEFA managing it rather than the clubs themselves, which was the silliest idea ever.
 
What’s happening with the Super League now? Who is still in it?

Real Madrid still committed to making it happen?
 
Footyislife said:
While the ESL wasn't quite the right solution, if you take a step back and look at the big picture, the rigged system today is far worse long term economically for fans and is a slow death to football as we know it.

Any rich investor can come in, pump money, raise costs for everyone in the football pyramid. The impact to ALL fans is rising cost of watching games on TV, attending games, and buying merchandise.

Most modern sport leagues counter this by implementing a salary cap of sorts. But UEFA is corrupt and has shown they won't do this.

So don't empathize with the greedy broadcasters and corrupt UEFA who stand to make the most from maintaining status quo. A 50+1 ownership is the BEST step to solving this. And our best shot to get that was through an escalation between ESL and UEFA. With ESL disbanding, things will return to the status quo and the need for overhaul will be lost.
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Yep, with everyone delighted with the death of the SL (especially the PL/UEFA/SKY/BT) momentum will be lost and the status quo will quickly return. Majority of fans of other clubs outside the 6 won't give a feck about changing the ownership model as most of them are probably still hoping their club is the next one to win the billionaire lottery. Chelsea and City fans won't be pushing to get their owners to up sticks any time soon either and they certainly won't give a feck about United, Liverpool and Arsenal's american owners bleeding those clubs dry. The Government have their PR win so their review into football ownership will likely amount to the square route of feck all.

But yay the Super League is dead.
 
Dancfc said:


I wonder if Neville and Linekar will give this the same energy.
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Yeah so much for sporting merit, as I said yesterday UEFA only opposed the Super League because they were being cut out of it.
 
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I hope the inevitable Netflix documentary can shed some light on what the hell Spurs were doing. Doesn’t even look like the people involved knew they were invited.
 


Let's see what these sanctions will be. Given that there wasn't anything that materialised at the end of the day, I'm not expecting much more than some fines.
 
mazhar13 said:


Let's see what these sanctions will be. Given that there wasn't anything that materialised at the end of the day, I'm not expecting much more than some fines.
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A year outside the CL/EL competitions for the 12 so the rest of the clubs can prove that they can get on perfectly well without us, would seem to be fair.

May as well do it next year (although it would be annoying to let Liverpool/Chelsea off the hook for a non top 4 finish).
 
Infra-red said:
A year outside the CL/EL competitions for the 12 so the rest of the clubs can prove that they can get on perfectly well without us, would seem to be fair.

May as well do it next year (although it would be annoying to let Liverpool/Chelsea off the hook for a non top 4 finish).
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You could always word the punishment as "a season's ban from UEFA competition that the club qualified for."
 
Infra-red said:
A year outside the CL/EL competitions for the 12 so the rest of the clubs can prove that they can get on perfectly well without us, would seem to be fair.

May as well do it next year (although it would be annoying to let Liverpool/Chelsea off the hook for a non top 4 finish).
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That will never happen because the UEFA needs the 12 clubs......no one will care about a quarter-final between Real Sociedad vs Wolfsburg.
 
clarkydaz said:
Any more ramblings from Perez?
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"Well done UEFA, you've won. You ruined my league so that you could keep the money for yourself. I hope that the Champions League makes you very happy and that you use the money to get some lessons in grace and decorum because you have all the grace and decorum of a reversing dump truck with no tyres"
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
That will never happen because the UEFA needs the 12 clubs......no one will care about a quarter-final between Real Sociedad vs Wolfsburg.
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You'd have Napoli, Bayern, Roma, Sevilla, Dortmund, RB Leipzig, Monaco, Porto, PSG, Benfica, Ajax in the mix.

I reckon you could make some palatable quarter finals out of that lot.

Ban the 12 for a year - it's only a year and they truly deserve it.
 
UEFA aren't going to ban the 12 clubs they were desperate to keep hold of now that the SL is dead, that's common sense.

Maybe they'll just ban Spurs, because well you know.
 
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