European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?


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I mean we're obviously fecking this up but personally at least I'd make a distinction between those doing all they can to push this and those who are accomplices. Perhaps I'm just splitting hairs though.
Of course Chelsea and City are followers and didn’t initiate the whole thing. Why would they after all? Their owners have enough money so their clubs are the least effected even by a global pandemic. They are obviously very reluctantly going to give up that huge advantage.

Anyway I believe this will go on for a few more days, then ESL clubs and UEFA will find some agreements and then hopefully the whole ESL idea will be dead.
We will then get statements from UEFA and the ESL clubs claiming how they all care about fans and the whole football community and that they all basically wanted the same stuff and there were just some misunderstandings, blah blah ...
 
But every club having signed up to it is huge news. It was always described as a threat but they went out and did it and not a peep.
I do wonder if a few journos were enticed to keep quiet, hence the soft coverage of Chelsea and City. Lets see if they suddenly break some big transfer news over the summer.

There were rumours clubs signed before, they just denied it
 
But according to Perez - if real madrid crashes - football dies, wouldn't you know... So we can't let that happen.
If you replace the word football last night from his interview, with the word Real Madrid, things makes a lot more sense.

"REAL MADRID has to evolve, like companies and people."

“Networks have changed the way they behave and REAL MADRID has to change and adapt to the times we live in."

“Fans are losing interest in REAL MADRID. There are many poor quality matches and the younger people are not interested."

REAL MADRID's audiences are decreasing and rights are decreasing and something had to be done."

“It is not a league for the rich, it is a league to save REAL MADRID, save the most modest teams, because, without it, REAL MADRID will disappear."

“What does the whole world demand? We have fans all over the world who want competitive REAL MADRID to watch."

“So we are going to talk to Uefa and Fifa, I don't know why they have to get angry because when I say we will save REAL MADRID, I mean save everyone, to save the game for the next 20 years so it can live in peace."

See, his thinking works suddenly.
 
It's from Sky so take as you will...


You can either hear it or directly read Sky's comment in the description.


Laughable. The "Owners" (as they are, I suspect deliberately referred to) are clueless. This isn't the NFL where the players have no option but to be part of the league, the players will have other options if they wish.

Clearly the ESL is going to generate increased revenue - there's talk of £300 million a season. That's not going to result in every player being recompensed enough over and above what they earn now to give up International games. Some, obviously will, but ta lot of players will have their pick of other wealthy clubs.
 
They threatened to expell 6 PL clubs only if they join the ESL, which is fair enough, but they absolutely will not reduce the number of PL teams to accomidate a new league that goes against everything they stand for. That would be crazy.

If it means they don't lose their revenue stream they might, the PL package will be worth considerably less without those six clubs. It seems to have gone too far for any of the SL clubs to back out now.
 
If you replace the word football last night from his interview, with the word Real Madrid, things makes a lot more sense.

"REAL MADRID has to evolve, like companies and people."

“Networks have changed the way they behave and REAL MADRID has to change and adapt to the times we live in."

“Fans are losing interest in REAL MADRID. There are many poor quality matches and the younger people are not interested."

REAL MADRID's audiences are decreasing and rights are decreasing and something had to be done."

“It is not a league for the rich, it is a league to save REAL MADRID, save the most modest teams, because, without it, REAL MADRID will disappear."

“What does the whole world demand? We have fans all over the world who want competitive REAL MADRID to watch."

“So we are going to talk to Uefa and Fifa, I don't know why they have to get angry because when I say we will save REAL MADRID, I mean save everyone, to save the game for the next 20 years so it can live in peace."

See, his thinking works suddenly.

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This is amazing and actually quite telling.
 
The Bundesliga will be the biggest league if this super league becomes anything. No team from this league has chosen to participate in the betrayal, and the league thus retains the strongest teams. Players can continue to play at the top level and on the national team at the same time.
 
I'm 100% certain they don't need them financially, but for the spectacle you really do need full stadiums (and not full of tourists on a jolly).
I don't know anyone who particularly enjoys watching games at the moment, I mean we watch them because there is no choice, but it just wouldn't be the same if grounds were only ever 20% full or whatever.

(cue joke about the Emptihad)
You don't think they haven't factored it in? They could probably give tickets away for free for the atmosphere, and still make more doing it this way. It's horrifying but it's possible. The only thing they haven't factored in is players and managers being unwilling to take part. It's stopped dead then.
 


List of clubs who have made Champions League QFs more recently than Arsenal: Shakhtar, Schalke, Marseille, APOEL, Benfica, Malaga, Galatasaray, Porto, Monaco, Wolfsburg, Leicester, Sevilla, Roma, Ajax, Leipzig, Atalanta, Lyon
 
Of course Chelsea and City are followers and didn’t initiate the whole thing. Why would they after all? Their owners have enough money so their clubs are the least effected even by a global pandemic. They are obviously very reluctantly going to give up that huge advantage.

Anyway I believe this will go on for a few more days, then ESL clubs and UEFA will find some agreements and then hopefully the whole ESL idea will be dead.
We will then get statements from UEFA and the ESL clubs claiming how they all care about fans and the whole football community and that they all basically wanted the same stuff and there were just some misunderstandings, blah blah ...

Hope you're right mate. Part of me definitely hopes either Chelsea or City come to their senses and step away as I think that'd have a domino effect, but I'll certainly not hold my breath.
 
Even if they don't dominate: they no longer have any incentive to compete if they can't win the league. Six-way title races are incredibly rare (non-existent, really) and with league position being otherwise completely inconsequential, they could just focus on the SL. It distorts the competition when teams around them at the same time are going for Champions League football.

Oh yeah. 100%. We’ll see big clubs sending out their kids to play in “Super Sunday” matches because they have an SL game the following mid-week. I don’t see this as anything other than a disaster for the PL.
 
Of course City would be keen to back out. They don’t need the money. If you are on top, can spend more than anyone else, and already have billions behind you, why would you want this?

Thye have obviously joined up not wanting to be left out of the top table, but would love an escape.

Hopefully that can be used to stop it from happening.
 
The Glazers involvement in this is tragically hilarious. Many of the other owners actually put money into their clubs and while it comes from a place of greed have a better standing to say they want higher returns on what they expended. Glazers haven't spent jack, threw us in debt and are now mortgaging the goodwill built from a 100 years of history to say they deserve even more. At least these leeches are now everyone's problem, not just us
 
Spain institutions seem to be as crooked as Perez. Hardly surprising they have set up their little company in Spain.
 
Laughable. The "Owners" (as they are, I suspect deliberately referred to) are clueless. This isn't the NFL where the players have no option but to be part of the league, the players will have other options if they wish.

Clearly the ESL is going to generate increased revenue - there's talk of £300 million a season. That's not going to result in every player being recompensed enough over and above what they earn now to give up International games. Some, obviously will, but ta lot of players will have their pick of other wealthy clubs.
That's my opinion too. This crap has been made to save the spanish and italian clubs who are drowning in debts and particularly hit by Covid (Look at the board) and the big six owners saw an opportunity to make even more cash with zero risk. For the Glazers it's even more incentive, being guaranteed to cash in an enormous amount of money without investing in the squad.

What I don't understand is why Chelsea and ManCity gave in. They don't need it, they aren't in the board, and it's specially designed to counter them.
 
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Aside from a risible interview with Perez in Spain, it has largely been radio silence from the SL clubs. All a bit bizarre - you'd expect some massive press launch with requisite fanfare and endorsements from legends of the game and mega-sponsors. But nothing. Even the players/managers at the clubs involved don't have a clue what's happening.

Meanwhile there's meetings going on at UEFA, at the FA and at the Premier League with statements of condemnation and endless gnashing of teeth in the media - all of it going unanswered.

Amazing how badly it has been managed.
 
Its amazing how so many club owners were sold on this when there appears to have been so little thought put into the business model, branding, comms etc

The detail we have seen so far seems like it has been put together as part of an a-level business studies project

I definitely agree with that
 
That's my opinion too. This crap has been made to save the spanish and italian clubs who are drowning in debts and particularly hit by Covid (Look at the board) and the big six owners saw an opportunity to make even more cash with zero risk. For the Glazers it's even more incentive to not spend more while being guaranteed to cash in an enormous amount of money without investing in the squad.

What I don't understand is why Chelsea and ManCity gave in. They don't need it, they aren't in the board, and it's specially designed to counter them.

For Chelsea, Roman won't be around forever. So to guarantee massive income for 23 years is good for the club.

City don't want to be left behind while the genuinely massive teams go off and form an exclusive club.
 
The Glazers involvement in this is tragically hilarious. Many of the other owners actually put money into their clubs and while it comes from a place of greed have a better standing to say they want higher returns on what they expended. Glazers haven't spent jack, threw us in debt and are now mortgaging the goodwill built from a 100 years of history to say they deserve even more. At least these leeches are now everyone's problem, not just us
Yep, it's the only good thing to come out of all this. Remember when people used to say we've spent lots over the years under the Glazers, what are we so upset about? Now everyone outside can see them for what they are too.
 
I just find it so pathetic from clubs like ourselves and Liverpool.

We have literally handed clubs like Barcelona a lifeline to stop them from going bankrupt and sold a huge amount of our respect to do so. In case it gets lost on anyone, Spanish clubs barely have 2 pennies to rub together and we have played the biggest roll in building a league that means that we are sustainable and yet because they asked nicely and sold the Glazers on bigger dividends we have thrown that all away.

Exactly. I started watching back in the 90s when the Italians and the Spanish clubs were the top spenders. We couldn't compete with them on that front. We couldn't afford wages for the likes of Kluivert, Batistuta etc.

They offloaded their unwanted players to the Premier League. Retiring players like Casiraghi, Ravanelli. Players who failed there like Henry, Bergkamp. The English league lost the likes of Mark Hughes, Gary Lineker and Ian Rush to Barcelona.

Still, we did it the right way. Shared TV money almost equally amongst our competitors and created a competitive league that many around the world enjoy.

Now Barca and Madrid are skint and their leagues have become so uncompetitive due to TV money distribution that it's unappealing to people. This was what Perez was talking about when he said people want to see competitive matches. The cheek of him when his club is largely responsible for turning La Liga into a joke.

The English 6 have given the Italians and Spanish a way out largely because of how greedy our owners are. The owners of our own United have tarred the legacy of the club at the behest of the struggling continental clubs who used to lord over the English clubs (and for the money as well.) It's kind of heartbreaking.