This was purely an observation from where I stand.You basically have no idea what you are talking about or do you actually believe that UEFA has legal ground to expel these clubs from this year's CL?
Oh and btw, I am firmly against this Sl nonsense.
Sir Batt Musby - deary me that was dreadful from the sky sports presenter
I wonder if the Italian clubs would be so eager to join if this happened in the 90s.
Yeah, for sure, football is nothing without the proper fans involved. Agreed, lets hope so.They probably have factored this in, I'm saying that it detracts from the spectacle if the stadium is half empty or full of daytrippers who don't really care too much about winning or losing.
Agree that if players stand firm then this will die. Lets hope that is the case.
Financially speaking, i can understand why this deal look like an absolute win for the Spanish and Italian clubs who are participating, they are set for a long time.
Why are clubs like United, City and Liverpool so desperate to throw away everything for this though?
Sure, its a lot of money for the PL clubs too, but the league already brings in tons of money, i dont get it.
So what a Spanish court says is applicable throughout all of Europe?Extraterritorial jurisdiction is applicable if relating to European Competition laws
The players and managers are employees, the fans are consumers - they're not entitled to know everything.
Do you really think so? I honestly think that only Us, Liverpool, Barcelona and Madrid (obviously won't happen) would have an impact. The others are much smaller than Bayern and they are moving forward without them.
I think we’d have to finish 9th under the new CL reforms to not qualify. Not even Woody could cock us up that bad.They can’t handle the risk/uncertainty of CL qualification.
yes - the injunction is valid in all the EU till the case is heard under EU competition lawsSo what a Spanish court says is applicable throughout all of Europe?
What happens if UEFA just ban them anyway?
Unfortunately, it will go down to who has the better political lobby. And overall, that probably is the likes of Perez, the Glazers and the rest. We live in a fecked up world so all of this is no surprise, even though I always tried to keep a glimmer of hope for the sport and our beloved club.So what a Spanish court says is applicable throughout all of Europe?
What happens if UEFA just ban them anyway?
yes - the injunction is valid in all the EU till the case is heard under EU competition laws
Aside from a risible interview with Perez in Spain, it has largely been radio silence from the SL clubs. All a bit bizarre - you'd expect some massive press launch with requisite fanfare and endorsements from legends of the game and mega-sponsors. But nothing. Even the players/managers at the clubs involved don't have a clue what's happening.
Meanwhile there's meetings going on at UEFA, at the FA and at the Premier League with statements of condemnation and endless gnashing of teeth in the media - all of it going unanswered.
Amazing how badly it has been managed.
It can't be water tight though, water tight is for things that can be predicted. No one can realistically predict what happens in future in this case, government action, PL enforcing the L9 rule, eufa successfully kicking players off the national teams. There will be an out, for JP Morgan and for clubs. This whole endeavor is like skydiving, no one's jumping without making sure they have a parachute on them.He wouldn't answer it at all? Even the leaks have said its binding. It just seems like wishful thinking. Why bother having a contract in the first place if City can just say no? It would need to be water tight with the shitstorm they knew this would bring
Financially speaking, i can understand why this deal look like an absolute win for the Spanish and Italian clubs who are participating, they are set for a long time.
Why are clubs like United, City and Liverpool so desperate to throw away everything for this though?
Sure, its a lot of money for the PL clubs too, but the league already brings in tons of money, i dont get it.
You basically have no idea what you are talking about or do you actually believe that UEFA has legal ground to expel these clubs from this year's CL?
Oh and btw, I am firmly against this Sl nonsense.
Well, lot and on other hand nothing.A naive question I'm sure but what does it matter to UEFA what a Spanish court has decided?
Corruption in Spain Perez involved. ShockThis was purely an observation from where I stand.
Real Madrid are known to be a government-backed club. The press seems to be on their side a lot more than in the UK.
Ans finally why was Florentino so confident there won't be bans? Of course they're well prepped but his arrogance was telling.
And if you want further reading, read up how a Spanish judge ordered the destruction of blood samples in one of the biggest doping scandals involving football and tennis players.
Will be like championship manager when u lose a game and you keeping replaying it until you get the result that suits youNot only is it a stupid idea, but the man in charge of the league is the president of Real Madrid. Can you imagine a team getting beat by them by a dubious decision? How can that league ever be impartial?
Financially speaking, i can understand why this deal look like an absolute win for the Spanish and Italian clubs who are participating, they are set for a long time.
Why are clubs like United, City and Liverpool so desperate to throw away everything for this though?
Sure, its a lot of money for the PL clubs too, but the league already brings in tons of money, i dont get it.
This is a structural problem with many football clubs and leagues.
Swansea supporters own over 20% of the club. Thus getting a seat at the table. It’s a shame it’s not more common in English football.
Not saying you’re wrong, you’re absolutely right. Just saying it shouldn’t be like that.
Did I say I would be happy with it? The kids of today will love it. Don't be naive.In love with playing madrid every season for 20 years with no relegation? Speak for yourself pal
NFL does really badly.Why would a glorified friendly league with no tangible prize, with the same teams every year, be a roaring success?
yes - the injunction is valid in all the EU till the case is heard under EU competition laws
The FIFA has never needed any legal ground to do what they want. The fact that their headquarters are in Switzerland should be a clue on that matter. The CONMEBOL building in Paraguay even has diplomatic immunity(!).
This could be news for some fans in Europe but usually if a local court intervenes in the way FIFA manages its competition, FIFA simply mandates a temporal ban on the local federation until they have "corrected" the issue (it has happened in South America and Africa before). This would mean all of Spain's NT and clubs are out of WC, ELN, Euro, youth tournaments, UCL and UEL until the judgment is appealed, ceased or revoked.
That doesn't affect UK clubs though I guess. I don't think it would happen but would be great for these 6 clubs to be threatened with PL explusion.
In love with what? Playing Madrid and Barcelona twice a year every bloody year. Playing Liverpool 4 times a year every bloody year. Massive success in China and USA maybe but not for us.People are deluding themselves if they think this won’t be an absolutely massive success if it happens.
It shouldn’t be happening but in 20 years everyone will be in love with this format. Just the way it’s going to be.
“Gentlemen, you made a huge mistake. Some will say it is greed, others (will say) disdain arrogance, flippancy or complete ignorance of England’s football culture. It does not matter. What does matter is that there is still time to change your mind. Everyone makes mistakes. Come to your senses...”
-Aleksander Ceferin; source: AP via Detroit Free Press
Chelsea 'told' they can't leave European Super League by Real Madrid president Florentino PerezIs it true Chelsea and City are talking about backing out of the SL?
Boring is a lazy excuse tbh. No one gets boring watching football every year especially between big clubs. There are far more valid reasons for not to move ahead.In love with what? Playing Madrid and Barcelona twice a year every bloody year. Playing Liverpool 4 times a year every bloody year. Massive success in China and USA maybe but not for us.
Without English sides there’s no ESL. They won’t be left behind for the simple reason that ESL can’t come up with the numbers. They are just bunch of greedy cnuts that don’t care about anyone else than their pockets.it's an arms race: if other clubs manage to increase their income by 300m per season and you don't, you are left behind and won't be able to compete in the future. If all your rivals in europe jump on it you have too
there's also the prestige about participating and winning a new competition with many top teams. It may die soon and be forgotten or it could become the next champions league for the next 50 years
and club owners wanting a no risk, all reward competition that generates them money every season without the risk of being relegated. Most of those club owners bought the clubs to pocket money
Where did you read the word boring?Boring is a lazy excuse tbh. No one gets boring watching football every year especially between big clubs. There are far more valid reasons for not to move ahead.
