European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?


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In the current format yes, but a compromise of sorts would not surprise me like reducing the number of teams in the PL, to say 16 clubs for example.
If there isn't a compromise you can easily see them going their separate ways which would not be beneficial to anyone and I don't see how the SL will be scrapped now or even if it was, the backlash from the other clubs or fans would still be there.

It's been handled terribly but there has to be an outcome whatever it is.

The PL would not agree to that in a million years :lol:
 
Is it just me finding all these cnuts eating each other so fantastically entertaining? UEFA, FIFA, state PR clubs, Glaziers, FSG, PL, Sky...burn it all down! Genuinely starting to believe Joel is going to be driven out of town.
The only good thing is this could finally mean United fans and ex players could unite and put more pressure on Glazers.
 
Ah yeah it is that I think - the typo confused me. It say "Sky has chosen to pay £1,193 million per annum under the terms of the new deal, down £199 million per annum. " ... (obviously its not down from £199m!)


As announced by Bloomberg and confirmed by RMC Sport, UEFA is preparing a counterattack in the Super League. UEFA is working with investment fund to come up with new LOC that would have a starting budget of €4.5b but which could go up to €7b.


'LOC' meaning Line of Credit?
 
I think the reports that Chelsea and City are the least committed make sense.
In terms of money - their owners haven't got into this to make money directly, but for prestige and branding.
In terms of dominance - they (esp City) have crazy dominance over established teams under the current system. If the money from the new SL materialises, then even Spurs can compete with them on an almost equal footing, and Roman/Mansour will have to put up a lot more cash to keep them ahead.
In terms of fan backlash - for City, I'm not sure how well-established they are in Asia and America yet. Might need a few more successful years to be able to sever all connections at home. This isn't a concern for the other clubs.
All 3 reasons apply to PSG too, and they're officially out.

It makes sense that Perez (club in debt) and Glazer (more money guaranteed, more competitive team with no extra spending) are the two leading men.

Yep I agree with this.

Roman (and frankly all club owners here) is beyond rich and does not need the extra income He is however all about prestige. Owning a English football club is in many ways a new mode of royalty. He wants the prestige and will only have been pulled into this due to fear of missing out.

If the public backlash continues, I can see Chelsea being the first club to back out. There is no way he's going to be happy with how this has been handled by the Americans.
 
But those six taking part in both the Super League and in the Premier League is untenable. That'd reduce the PL to nothing but a sad farce.

What happens if the SL clubs agree to strict salary/spend caps (rumoured to be one of the main reasons the yank owners are so keen) What’s to stop an ambitious wealthy owner (e.g. at Everton) building a better squad than any of the SL teams? I don’t think domestic domination will necessarily follow for the “big six”. Even more so, if signing for a SL club means players can’t compete in World Cups.
 
What will it look like when 8,000 turn up on a Wednesday to watch Utd vs Milan?
Woodward and co have shown their true colours now, its shit or bust for them. They cannot possibly stay if this doesn't go ahead.

A chilling thought is they have already thought about all of this and they are not bothered about "legacy fans". They are reaching out to the under-25's who may be willing to pay money for these kind of matches.

Hell. They may already have a good idea how much they can see this to the Asian market and beyond. Maybe they think they don't need match going fans anymore
 
A chilling thought is they have already thought about all of this and they are not bothered about "legacy fans". They are reaching out to the under-25's who may be willing to pay money for these kind of matches.

Hell. They may already have a good idea how much they can see this to the Asian market and beyond. Maybe they think they don't need match going fans anymore
the under 25s have no money
 
What happens if the SL clubs agree to strict salary/spend caps (rumoured to be one of the main reasons the yank owners are so keen) What’s to stop an ambitious wealthy owner (e.g. at Everton) building a better squad than any of the SL teams? I don’t think domestic domination will necessarily follow for the “big six”. Even more so, if signing for a SL club means players can’t compete in World Cups.

Keep in mind those caps will be based on the inflated revenue of the ESL teams. It will take a lot of money for anyone else to go one better.
 
The government of ultra capitalism and just last week was pushing 'greed is good'

They don't give a feck... just seen the public outcry and it's an easy win for them to say they are with the fans... but really the tories have always treated football fans as scum
One of the big concerns for this government is keeping the red wall. Its a big discussion within the conservative party. Word from inside the party at the moment is this is the biggest open goal they've been presented with for decades to curry real favour with the working classes.
 
If that's correct it shows that the owners understand neither the game, the fans, or the players and I suspect, they would be in for a shock.
It's from Sky so take as you will...


You can either hear it or directly read Sky's comment in the description.
 
A chilling thought is they have already thought about all of this and they are not bothered about "legacy fans". They are reaching out to the under-25's who may be willing to pay money for these kind of matches.

Hell. They may already have a good idea how much they can see this to the Asian market and beyond. Maybe they think they don't need match going fans anymore
50,000 fans... hundred quid a time = £5,000,000 (less costs of staffing etc)
sell the stream of the game for £2 to 5 million people = £10,000,000

For sure there are better ways to make money for clubs than getting in more punters - they could probably give the tickets away for free just for the atmosphere and still make more money by cutting UEFA out of TV negotiations
 
Reckon City would back out.
No way Pep would have spoken out the way he did if City weren't getting cold feet.
 
What happens if the SL clubs agree to strict salary/spend caps (rumoured to be one of the main reasons the yank owners are so keen) What’s to stop an ambitious wealthy owner (e.g. at Everton) building a better squad than any of the SL teams? I don’t think domestic domination will necessarily follow for the “big six”. Even more so, if signing for a SL club means players can’t compete in World Cups.
Even if they don't dominate: they no longer have any incentive to compete if they can't win the league. Six-way title races are incredibly rare (non-existent, really) and with league position being otherwise completely inconsequential, they could just focus on the SL. It distorts the competition when teams around them at the same time are going for Champions League football.
 
I just find it so pathetic from clubs like ourselves and Liverpool.

We have literally handed clubs like Barcelona a lifeline to stop them from going bankrupt and sold a huge amount of our respect to do so. In case it gets lost on anyone, Spanish clubs barely have 2 pennies to rub together and we have played the biggest roll in building a league that means that we are sustainable and yet because they asked nicely and sold the Glazers on bigger dividends we have thrown that all away.
Agree. Years of poor spending and mismanagement. They should have let them crash
 


I had no idea he worked there.

How does someone oversee a huge decline with a bunch of decisions that are roundly criticised over the years and then get a job at another huge club?

God I wish I had one day in my job with the lack of accountability that football executives have.
 

Today: It will capture imagination

Tomorrow: We will guarantee entertainment

Day after: We will make sure every match is competitive and fun to watch

Few days after: Hey!! Do you think we should game the system a bit to bring more entertainment to the fans.
 
A chilling thought is they have already thought about all of this and they are not bothered about "legacy fans". They are reaching out to the under-25's who may be willing to pay money for these kind of matches.

Hell. They may already have a good idea how much they can see this to the Asian market and beyond. Maybe they think they don't need match going fans anymore

I'm 100% certain they don't need them financially, but for the spectacle you really do need full stadiums (and not full of tourists on a jolly).
I don't know anyone who particularly enjoys watching games at the moment, I mean we watch them because there is no choice, but it just wouldn't be the same if grounds were only ever 20% full or whatever.

(cue joke about the Emptihad)
 
Those clubs can presumably still develop great players and sell them to super league clubs, and they can have the further honour of applying for a guest place in next years super league. However, Perez and Woodward will have to check if they're more financially attractive than say, Everton, and if not they can give up on their lofty dreams of sharing a pitch again with the mighty Real Madrid, Barcelona and Tottenham, and maybe work on their brands, reach more future fans, thank Perez again for saving football, and reapply again next year.

Indeed. Stand up guys the pair of them. Selfless, with only the game at heart. If this new debacle covers up their inability to properly run the clubs they're in charge of then I suspect that's nothing more than a coincidence.

In all seriousness, you wouldn't see Sir Lawrence acting like this...
 
But they threaten to reduce it to 14? Without the 6 they are a dead league walking.

They threatened to expell 6 PL clubs only if they join the ESL, which is fair enough, but they absolutely will not reduce the number of PL teams to accomidate a new league that goes against everything they stand for. That would be crazy.
 
I don’t think anyone deserves a guaranteed place in any competition. This competition isn’t about earning a right to be in it. It’s about what the ‘founders’ believe will earn them the most money. In that case, Arsenal are more appropriate for it than Everton, Villa, Forest, Benfica or even Ajax. Nobody should be surprised about the clubs that have been selected based on what this whole thing is all about. Money.

Indeed, and that's my point. I agree with the rest of that.
 
I had no idea he worked there.

How does someone oversee a huge decline with a bunch of decisions that are roundly criticised over the years and then get a job at another huge club?

God I wish I had one day in my job with the lack of accountability that football executives have.

Mate it happens everywhere, it’s all nepotism. One of the high level executives at my workplace was CEO of his previous company, his mismanagement was so poor he tanked the business and a lot of people lost their jobs. Wasn’t even six months before he walked in to our place on a six figure salary. This is just how the world works. Some people play by different rules.
 
A chilling thought is they have already thought about all of this and they are not bothered about "legacy fans". They are reaching out to the under-25's who may be willing to pay money for these kind of matches.

Hell. They may already have a good idea how much they can see this to the Asian market and beyond. Maybe they think they don't need match going fans anymore
I 100% believe this is the plan, yes. The owners have come to the conclusion from this pandemic year, that they don't need the local fans anymore. They're only interested in the fans of the future, making it Fifa like.

They can make a lot more, selling the streaming rights themselves to other markets around the world, that won't care about our national game being dismantled, only tuning in to see their favourite stars vs. each other every week.
 
This is a danish newspaper, who quotes Reuters:


The Madrid court does not believe that there is any legal basis for Fifa and Uefa to slow down the Super League or sanction.

Likewise, the court rules that the federations cannot sanction either clubs or players at present with the current knowledge of the Super League.
 
Mate it happens everywhere, it’s all nepotism. One of the high level executives at my workplace was CEO of his previous company, his mismanagement was so poor he tanked the business and a lot of people lost their jobs. Wasn’t even six months before he walked in to our place on a six figure salary. This is just how the world works. Some people play by different rules.

Amazing really isn't it.