European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?


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This would be different. Then, even Utd fans were pretty divided and only a few got behind it really.

Then there was the green and gold campaign which had a wider backing, but was still pretty tame and palatable.

This would be on a whole new level. You've even got pundits demanding action against the owners. As soon as fans are back in, this gets so ugly.

Honestly, if the government wanted to stop this, just allow all fans back to Utd's next home game as normal and watch all the clubs drop out of this idea.
Don’t think they’d bat an eyelid. They will be fully expecting it.
 
Can’t they just make it such that all season ticket holders need to vote and have at least 75% in favour for any decision regarding the club to be implemented?

That is not how large corporations operate.
They cannot see anything wrong with acting in their own interests.
 
There’s zero chance govt will suddenly allow the effective compulsory part nationalisation of businesses because of ill feelings of a proposed football league.

People who take this seriously are Tooth Fairy believers surely?

The Premier League is a major export for this country, and contributes absolutely millions to the UK's economy via various means and sectors. If the government feels this is being chipped away at and damaged significantly, you can be sure that they'll do all they can to prevent it.
 
What about teams like Leipzig and Hertha, didn’t they find workarounds despite this being in place in Germany. Genuine question, don’t know much about it.

There are exceptions if you fund a team for at least 20 years - this is why Bayer control Leverkusen, Volkswagon control Wolfsburg, etc. What Leipzig did was far shadier - essentially they reserve the right to reject any application to become a member and have I think fewer than 20 actual members, all of whom are Red Bull employees. This is a big part of why they are detested by Bundesliga supporters.
 
City owners won’t benefit financially since they don’t need the money, but cynically thinking, they will look at it as a better PR exercise for themselves if all the eyeballs in the world focus on the Super League rather than the Premier League. They wouldn’t want to be left behind on a potentially inferior Premier League product to do their thing. They’ll want to be front and centre of this massive new thing with even more eyeballs watching than before. It’s all about vanity for these people. They want to be in the dick measuring contest with the clubs who have historically and financially got the biggest dicks.
 
The obvious solution for many of us would be the status quo.
But I am not sure that is going to or can happen.
To me, this is a stage too far for a simple climb down, for either side.
Ultimately, this can only be resolved by discussion and some form of compromise.
But having said that, it is pretty clear that both sides will go through the posturing phase to establish a position of strength.
This will run for some time before the clubs self interest can become a common interest, assuming of course that either side doesn't take it a step too far.

I agree with every word.
 
The Premier League is a major export for this country, and contributes absolutely millions to the UK's economy via various means and sectors. If the government feels this is being chipped away at and damaged significantly, you can be sure that they'll do all they can to prevent it.
If the clubs are making more from the ESL then they will be paying more tax on revenue and player wages too. Possibly significantly more.
 
I mean, people who taste tested new coke supposedly thought it was better..
Its amazing how so many club owners were sold on this when there appears to have been so little thought put into the business model, branding, comms etc

The detail we have seen so far seems like it has been put together as part of an a-level business studies project
 
In Nba the worst place to be is in the middle. If you are a good team, you have a shot at championship. But if you are a bad team, there is a lottery every year to draft the best players coming out of college. So, the worse you are, the more ping pong balls you have in draft lottery. That's why most of the teams that do not have the chance to be competitive try to bottom out. That aims to give a chance for every singe team to become competitive in cycles, provided that they are managed properly. Every know and than, that rebuilding team becomes competitive and it works. But even in the NBA the big market teams has better chance to break this cycle.

That's why those idiotic Glazers struggle to understand european football.
Ah thanks sounds completely mental.
 
The Zlatan quotes are likely not even real but people are already praising him for it...fake information spreading is one of the most frustrating things to see
 
But they are allowed to? And that would therefore highlight the biggest issue here, that they didn't think it was important to.
Possibly, it would depend on their assessment of the risks involved in letting more than a few people know what is going on.
 
The Premier League is a major export for this country, and contributes absolutely millions to the UK's economy via various means and sectors. If the government feels this is being chipped away at and damaged significantly, you can be sure that they'll do all they can to prevent it.

So you think as country begs for post Brexit investment the govt will want to be seen buying private businesses against wishes of registered owners?

I’m sorry that cloud cuckoo land stuff. We might as well want them to draft in the Thundercats to save the day it is that absurd.

of all likely outcomes ‘Tory govt to nationalise Manchester United’ really needs to be parked as a suggestion
 
Chelsea and Man City meeting with Uefa to back out?



They need to divide and conquer these motherfeckers, like the Glazers have been doing with United fans for years.

Then we can move onto FIFA and Uefa while they are still reeling from the surprise back stab.
 
The government of ultra capitalism and just last week was pushing 'greed is good'

They don't give a feck... just seen the public outcry and it's an easy win for them to say they are with the fans... but really the tories have always treated football fans as scum

Demonstrates the power of public opinion though. If it's the right thing, it's the right thing and we should credit them for doing it.
 
I don't understand that Man City tweet at all. I get that Pep can have his own opinions, but how can their social media tweet out against a company decision? Is their twitter manager about to get sacked or are they trying to make it seem like they aren't supporting the Super League?
 
I can see most of the prem teams backing out but the Glazers, I reckon Perez will then push for a southern Europe super league. We need the Government to implement 51% fan ownership, then those yank feckers plans will be in tatters and they can feck off.

Once they start backing out though, they get past the 75% rule for voting and if we still push ahead then could be in big trouble.
 
The rumours that Chelsea and City are thinking to back out are fake. Pérez told in Chiringuito they signed a binding contract between the 12 founders. No one leaves and they all signed without any pressure last saturday.

Why do you believe Perez? His comments literally come across that this thing is a bail out for Real and Barca problems.
 
If the clubs are making more from the ESL then they will be paying more tax on revenue and player wages too. Possibly significantly more.

No guarantee of that, nor is there a guarantee that football will be confined to these shores or broadcast on a British TV provider. This league globalizes the game that would absolutely divert cash-flows and revenue opportunities away from the UK, let alone the financial implications/loss of jobs to those working with/associated to smaller/lower league clubs.
 
It's really not entitlement. It stink to high heavens but, let's not forget, the FA, PL, UEFA, FIFA are all greedy fecks aswell. This is just a fact, and it is likely that they won't kick the clubs out. As a United supporter, I hope I'm wrong. The owners may have just sparked something that will force them out. I hope they get pillaged by the associations and are forced to leave.

I just don't think they will as there is so much money in the ESL anyway and it could potentially get even bigger if they don't play domestic games.
Of course they are, but two wrongs don't make a right. And the ESL is on a whole other level of cynicism. It is not a fact just yet. They stated many times that they're going to do everything to kick you out the regular competitions, whether they succeed or not remains to be seen. The ESL is a gigantic FU to football and they weren't even able to make it halfway compelling for their own fans. I personally think that they have too much to lose to let it quietly happen and the other clubs aren't not going to sit and watch either.

No amount of money will convince a player to renounce to everything just to play against the same 15 teams or so year in year out. The invited teams are screwed because no matter what they do, the founding teams won't be relegated. What happens then? Who gets invited? That's not sport, there's zero competition, you just keep getting richer. It's ridiculous. Anyone who possibly thinks that this idea would any good to the sport needs their head checked.
 
United official Instagram's every post is absolutely flooded with no to super league comments.
 
So you think as country begs for post Brexit investment the govt will want to be seen buying private businesses against wishes of registered owners?

I’m sorry that cloud cuckoo land stuff. We might as well want them to draft in the Thundercats to save the day it is that absurd.

No, I think this 50+1 stuff is fanciful, but I can absolutely see how the government will want to shore-up and protect a highly lucrative domestic market by any means possible in the short term.
 
It is coming from a number of places that they weren't in the vanguard of this and signed up out of cowardice.

Probably all feeding off that one tweet.

Yeah United and Liverpool bullied Chelsea and City into signing up. Don't let yourself be fooled mate, they're both in this upto their neck like the rest of them.
 
Wouldn't be ironic if the Glazers were responsible for ruining ownership for themselves, all americans or middle-east countries ? :)
You know what they say about great empires. They crumble from within, not due to their own weakness but arrogance, hubris and decay. This would be a fitting a case study.