I would say for certain that is the end goal
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I was talking about the owners, you seemingly didn't get what the post was about. The post I responded to said that Ceferin should target the owners which is a bad idea because these owners aren't smally fry, they have weight outside of football, they are part of the actual oligarchy. When you are a businessman it's not a good idea to target everyone without thinking of the consequences, he is elected at the UEFA, he isn't going to be there foreve and the UEFA won't help him outside of football.
Disagree, unleash the fury on these money grabbing selfish tw@ts. Get as many threats out there as possible, pressure the players, the clubs, the fans, because these 12 clubs have already initiated legal proceeding this morning.
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Yeah it would be interesting to see how many people knew exactly about the timing of the announcement and made money off of it. Would be ironic even if FIFA or UEFA would launch an investigation into but then that would also mean that their members didn't profit of it either at the highest levels and that of course seems improbable given their own track record."Yes, football got destroyed. But for a beautiful moment in time we created a lot of value for shareholders."
Regarding the damage done to the smaller clubs when these top clubs leave their major leagues, the Super League has planned a Solidarity Fund of about €10m, which would be about €6m more than what UEFA is currently contributing.
I think we've clearly seen that just one ESL club in City could afford a legal team that dwarfs Uefa's and makes them look like bumbling idiots. Imagine what the 12 combined can do. Uefa aren't nearly as rich as half the clubs in the breakaway.
There is no problem with the idea of a super tournament between the best clubs. The problem is that there no relegation for Founder clubs.
It seems that they anticipated and don't care the slightest so far. The response will need to be extremely strong for them to reconsider.
https://www.meczyki.pl/newsy/zbigni...ak-wybuch-bomby-atomowej-nasz-wywiad/164301-n
Zbigniew Boniek (Head of Polish FA):
"UEFA's position is clear and was expressed yesterday in a statement. UEFA, all associations and leagues directly interested in this fact joined the ranks. However, for specific decisions, because you probably want to ask about that, you still have to wait. Today there was a discussion during the Executive Committee. The congress is tomorrow. Let's face it, World War III is on the way, this time in football. It is not known how badly injured anyone will get out of it. The atomic bomb has already exploded. The trust of the football authorities has been severely damaged and it will be difficult to rebuild a good atmosphere."
"Without the possibility of playing in the league, cups, they will be deprived of the possibility of making transfers with clubs under the UEFA and FIFA jurisdiction, and players will not be able to play in international competitions. I would like to emphasize once again that no decisions have been made, because everything must also be examined from a legal perspective."
Zbigniew Boniek (Head of Polish FA):
"UEFA's position is clear and was expressed yesterday in a statement. UEFA, all associations and leagues directly interested in this fact joined the ranks. However, for specific decisions, because you probably want to ask about that, you still have to wait. Today there was a discussion during the Executive Committee. The congress is tomorrow. Let's face it, World War III is on the way, this time in football. It is not known how badly injured anyone will get out of it. The atomic bomb has already exploded. The trust of the football authorities has been severely damaged and it will be difficult to rebuild a good atmosphere."
"Without the possibility of playing in the league, cups, they will be deprived of the possibility of making transfers with clubs under the UEFA and FIFA jurisdiction, and players will not be able to play in international competitions. I would like to emphasize once again that no decisions have been made, because everything must also be examined from a legal perspective."
Does that account for the reduced revenue they'll get from TV and sponsorship deals when their leagues and competitions become worthless?
So the founding teams never get relegated or removed from the league regardless of performance. Whats to stop them just sending out the reserves each time and collecting the paycheck? What are the goals for the players? Winning the league and the chmapions league? Not anymore dont need to worry about winning the league or finishing top 4 as they are guarenteed into the ESL each season. Imagine United sitting 7th in the League at Xmas, whats the incentive for the players to go out and put everything on the line each week? Then the money associated with it all as well, the rest of the league cant compete with the sums these teams are allegedly making. Then for any future transfers the price will be extorinate for these super clubs (and arsenal).
We are "legacy fans", remember?
UEFA are money grabbing selfish twats, same with FIFA and the PL.
If push comes to shove and they actually ban the players from representing their country during the euros this summer, the backlash is going to be absolutely insane, Ceferin won't have a fecking leg to stand on
I think the end goal would be two divisions with 40 teams overall. No domestic competition with play offs at the end.
What? There are no 3am games against Spartak Moscow
I've read somewhere than the American owners cannot understand why relegation is needed in football. Which I think I can see happening, even though I live in the US now.
This is very interesting... but I suspect they won't care unless there is some sort of monumental response that go beyond anything they ever imagined. So much that sponsors won't want to be associated with the club. Then, it will make them move away.
I think this is just business. Change at some point was inevitable - good or bad that change may be. But, just wondering, is there legal precedence to ban a layer or team, dock point, relegate or kick out? Is this Super League flouting any rules or statutes in the FA, FIFA or EUFA's handy rule book?
How can will they be able to justify any form of sanction against players or clubs?
I don't think its enough to publicize all these threats and hope to punish these evil-doers just because you don't like the idea of the Super League or what you think/feel it will do to football. Is there a legally sound leg that all these guys can stand on to go against this Super League?
When this Premier League was formed in 92', was it all smooth and accepted and the best thing that happened to football?
How can will they be able to justify any form of sanction against players or clubs?
I don't think its enough to publicize all these threats and hope to punish these evil-doers just because you don't like the idea of the Super League or what you think/feel it will do to football. Is there a legally sound leg that all these guys can stand on to go against this Super League?
When this Premier League was formed in 92', was it all smooth and accepted and the best thing that happened to football?
Which is sod all.
It's posturizing, if he did what you suggested, it would appear so weak.
I mean Agnelli turned his phone off on him
There’s no returning to the status quo. We’re just getting started though with a reshuffle of football though.
UEFA and the PL cannot afford to ban these teams and their players, just look at the BDO and PDC in darts to see what happens when the top players walk away. The PL is nothing without the biggest clubs and players now. That’s doubly true for the CL. If they lose these 12 clubs, their competitions become devalued and enter an inevitable decline. These clubs are going to get more power one way or another, either as part of UEFA or by setting up a rival organisation.
The only way the 12 clubs lose now is if the players revolt. In Ferguson’s time, we know someone like Gary Neville would organise, but I have no idea who would do similar now.
I'm from Malaysia mate.What? There are no 3am games against Spartak Moscow
Why? It's their tournament and their rules. The fans and majority of footballing world will be all for it.
I think the vast majority would support them in doing this.
Gotta say, I'm loving all the meltdown. I'm ready to give it all up, I just want shit to burn down
Me too, guys. Loving the shakedownI'm the same, in a very sadistic way, I want to see the off field drama last for a long time. Spite is very entertaining at the moment.
Bayern is the biggest hypocrite here:
Playing the hero card, what a load of bollocks.
Playing the hero card, what a load of bollocks.
You can't genuinely want the European Super League?! It's the antithesis of football as we know it!I'm from Malaysia mate.
Ferguson didn’t utter a single word against the Glazers when they took over in 2005 in a deal which would have (or at least should have) went against every single fibre in his apparent socialist/worker’s union being.
The takeover was opposed at every juncture by the majority of United fans and it even spawned a phoenix club out of the whole debacle, yet Ferguson still didn’t speak up. In fact, he often publicly supported the Glazers and spoke ill of those behind FC United.
So, let’s not rewrite history here and put people on pedestals who do not deserve it.
Bruno. Cause no one at the other clubs gonna do it.
An interesting observation is that a lot of the most vociferous opposition to the proposals are, unsurprisingly, coming from those affiliated to the organisations with a vested interest in keeping the lucrative (for them) status quo - Sky, BT, the Premier League and UEFA. And of course they’re currently the ones setting the narrative for all this, which the masses are feeding off.
I'm 100% behind the sanctions, I think being thrown out of the Europa league might result in the players going on strike in protest against the owners which would be a huge message to send. I just think he's better off not focusing on the history of teams (you know before the parasitic owners took over) as it will offend fans.
Money. Why do you think TV and sponsors would pay billions if it was a league of reserve players?
The big clubs have too much power, it would take one hell of a collective middle finger by the players, club staff, and fans (of all clubs), in order to rock this boat.
They’ll make this league and it’ll be a huge global success I’ve no doubt. Players will easily be swayed by the money.
They’ll make this league and it’ll be a huge global success I’ve no doubt. Players will easily be swayed by the money.
Give it a month, maybe even less.
Isn't that a bit hyperbolic? UEFA messed up in that City case, but it's not like they can't afford the best legal teams there are. Legal teams don't get exponentially better the more money you throw at them. There's a cut off point where you either can afford the best lawyers, or you can't. Surely UEFA can afford it
People who are OK with this don't see a problem a team like Spurs can never be relegated?
If this was done 20 years ago it would be Newcastle, before that it would have been Everton, Forest, Wolves etc. But because Spurs are in the position they are in right now they can never be relegated from this group? That sounds fair? You're happy with that?
If this was done 20 years ago it would be Newcastle, before that it would have been Everton, Forest, Wolves etc. But because Spurs are in the position they are in right now they can never be relegated from this group? That sounds fair? You're happy with that?
I love the shakedown, I love that it's changing.
ESL isn't all that bad, just have to tweak the relegation rules and we're set.
I have been harping on this above, but I still can't wrap my head around this. If the business case laid out to JP Morgan was an explosion of revenue out of the states I just can not see any way this happens. Native (non ex-pat) Football fandom is still nascent here, and the majority of us take our cues from our ex-pat friends or from what we see on tv coming from Europe (just look at the MLS team names for gods sake). The complete negative reaction to this will trickle down to all the viewers and I just can not fathom any instance in which they maintain, let alone expand, on the current CL viewer base. Few people here are going to pay extra for this. I guess we would watch it if it gets bundled into Amazon Prime or Disney+, but we would not seek it out and I would drop any streaming service that starts charging extra.
tldr; if this plan at all requires a significant viewer base in the US they fecked up.
Fair enough, i think he should take a stance against the owners and executives rather than the history of the clubs in question.It's posturizing, if he did what you suggested, it would appear so weak.
I mean Agnelli turned his phone off on him