Juve, Real, Barca are all in massive debt so i guess it was not too hard for muricans (JP Morgan) too make them sell their soul. Surprised by the EPL teams i suppose its because they are afraid of missing top 4. Don't feel like eiher Spurs or Arsenal deserve a spot, they are there purely for marketing reasons and not actual football performances which is what the game should be about no? Whats the point if you don't get punished for losing and not rewarded for winning? Utter disgrace.
European Super League
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I am disappointed some of the posters I generally respect (and Wumminator) have come out with whataboutism and trying to defend this enterprise because there were some weaknesses to the current system.
It's like comparing rot which can be cured with some targeted surgery to a bloody nuclear explosion.
It's a complete different level of feckery.
It's like comparing rot which can be cured with some targeted surgery to a bloody nuclear explosion.
It's a complete different level of feckery.
We'll know in about five minutes.
I wonder if his opinion would be the same if he was chief executive of a club that would be part of the super league
It does matter because by not caring or knowing you are building a narrative that isn't close to be true, I'll give you a simple fact french football is built around patrons every single club has been built around it, Lyon started to distance itself from that model by taking more millions from their owners mainly Seydoux and Aulas which allowed them to invest the money in infrastrutures that should long term revenues. ASSE have been created by Casino and built their fanbase and reputation in the 50s-70s through heavy sugar daddying, it used to be the same for Troyes but they are now part of City Football group, I could do it for every single club.
People try to make a complicated issue way to simple just because they want to pick a side. Here is the reality of football, only a few clubs have been able to actually generate commercial revenues, those clubs are mainly the ones forming this super league but even then most of these clubs have benefitted from sugar daddying for decades and built their names on it which now allow them to act holier than thou. Most of football outside of these clubs rely on patrons, at all levels from amateur to professional football and the wealthier patrons have historically led to the wealthiest clubs, everywhere.
This. People on here calling for players to speak out and the moment one does they go mad just because he plays for PSG.
Spot on. A club that spent 380m on 2 players in one summer and loaned a 180m player back to Monaco to circumvent ffp. City nearly signed Messi on a 1m a week wage last summer during a pandemic.
How is this competition?
The whole plan for this Super League seems so provisional. On the one hand you have the clubs all putting the same simple message on their websites, and even though it makes it look like it's some done deal and they will start after the summer, it all smells amateurish.
On the other hand no other plans have leaked out over the last few months. If they'd been seriously preparing a big league like this for the near future, much more details and signs would've come out by now already I think.
So that would mean all of this is just a tool to pressure the UEFA into giving the biggest clubs more money, or more financial security by guaranteeing direct qualification for the CL, or more influence at the CL.
On the other hand no other plans have leaked out over the last few months. If they'd been seriously preparing a big league like this for the near future, much more details and signs would've come out by now already I think.
So that would mean all of this is just a tool to pressure the UEFA into giving the biggest clubs more money, or more financial security by guaranteeing direct qualification for the CL, or more influence at the CL.
Yeah too right. I completely agree with this post.
The way sky completely did a slaughter piece on this yesterday, even including facts they seemingly made up like "they won't play in the Premier League" etc, made it so obviously clear that they stand to lose a lot of money on this.
If you didn't see this coming over the last 10 years especially then you most certainly are naive.
I wonder how many players will be slapping in transfer requests, rather than loose their chance to represent their country?
wasn't that how things were prior to the expansion of the CL? the expansion of the CL gets routinely derided, or now praised, according to the argument. the likes of Arsenal used to get derided for only competing for a top 4 spot, yet you're saying now that's now what makes things interesting. we can't have things both ways.
Or Villa had a seat on the table.
You could say the same about All-Star games, which is the most boring thing I can imagine. What makes it not boring is caring about the outcome.
And why wouldn't it? It just echoes what 99% of posters here seem to feel, as well as pretty much everyone else who has said anything and doesn't own any of the clubs, so why would he be any different?
Surely, you need minimum 20 teams to sign up for this to actually happen. As long as there is no more club will agree into this, this won't happen. However, Glazer is feckin cheeky, they are using the covid's impact to attract top clubs to sign up.
Personally, I would absolutely love an all-star game. I'll always be gutted we never saw Ronaldo and Messi play together, football has missed an opportunity there. The Lions tour in rugby is basically all-star and it's phenomenal. Fans would grow to care I guarantee that. I maintain, the proposal is corrupt, anti-competitive and nuclear but certainly wouldn't be boring.
Good on him. More players should publicly take a stand (well, if they had an ounce of integrity in them)
It was naive on my part to imagine the Glazer scum as the main scum. They are all scum. There won't be a better opportunity to wrestle back control through European and government regulation to clear these scum out of the game. Like she says, FIFA and UEFA have opened the door to this, as have these different governments, and corruption is there at all levels. That doesn't mean you cannot change course though.
That Singer individual. I mean, it's easy to think everything negative possible in connection to him (and I do) but this is also the way countries behave, at the behest of small elites. A microcosm into how the world actually is.
The thing about the NFL is there is a minimum Cap as well so you can draft your way to a decent team, then Brady becomes available for 25 million a year and you say why not, in football that’s 52 million for messi on a free, or 150 million at least for Kane not including wages. There is no minimum spend per season.
Well said. This is a defining moment - if these clubs can do this, then it is no longer a question of money having too much influence in football, it's a question of nothing else mattering.
You make some very valid points. I think most of us are just a bit shell shocked now that it's come to this.
Yep. As I said .... "Yet you participate in society, how curious? I am intelligent"
All I will say is that the people who didn't think this is where we'd end up were probably somewhat naive to say the least. Doesn't mean you can't speak up about it though. Buying a few shirts and paying for Sky Sports doesn't rob you of your voice.
a but suprised to see all the outrage. other than lack of relegation/promotion system, which can be fixed later, it's just a confirmation of what football is and has been for a while. all that matters in european football is whether the club belongs to 3-4 richest countries in Europe and that's it. ESL simply cements the status of those clubs even further. nothing fair in that, but honestly not much worse than what we already have. I feel most are bothered by the fact ESL isn't even trying to hide from what it is.
Fans like many on here who oppose this are in the minority.
The 'average' football fan just wants to watch the biggest games and the biggest stars, they don't care about Burnley v Newcastle.
The ESL is probably a mouthwatering prospect to 80% of football fans worldwide. Possibly more.
If they come out and say you can subscribe to Amazon for x amount a month and watch it all there will be billions interested.
The 'average' football fan just wants to watch the biggest games and the biggest stars, they don't care about Burnley v Newcastle.
The ESL is probably a mouthwatering prospect to 80% of football fans worldwide. Possibly more.
If they come out and say you can subscribe to Amazon for x amount a month and watch it all there will be billions interested.
The new UEFA reform ideas literally say they'll invite big teams that don't qualify. It's barely any different apart from they pocket more money than UEFA would.How can the clubs run the show themselves?
It is a massive conflict of interest most visible in that guaranteed spot.
The next step is for a few founding members to decide they should have 15 players on the pitch rather than 11.
These founding members got where they are thanks to their FAs and UEFA. Now they prevent others from developing.
Unless there is a plan for every new team in Superleague to take up equity on the same footing as the founding members ?
Football is changing whether we like it or not unfortunately. The CL competition is going towards a league format whether teams stay or leave.
I get it, I get the outcry. But it’s just been wank for so so long I can’t get outraged anymore.
Why would they be guaranteed more money than they currently get when they are currently subsidized by the top clubs who have decided to stop sharing? You don't actually think that there is an international demand for Burnley vs Sheffield United?
Why on earth would any Man Utd fan care about playing AC Milan twice a year, or Atletico Madrid twice a year etc.? It is complete nonsense and is only being done to make money. It's not exciting just because you say so, football and sport is exciting because there is an element of risk and competition inherent in every game. That doesn't exist in this mess of a system, ergo it is boring.
Agreed. Unfortunately, this is the way of the world and has been since the 80s. The PL is a child of Thatcher. The ESL is just a continuation of that.
Porto, Bayern, Dortmund, Leipzig, *puke*PSG, so far clubs worthy of admiration.
They're openly targeting the new generation of fans through this proposal, so they are responsible for the trend as they're attempting to commercialise football even further to gain their interest.
Terrible stuff isn't it.
Do you mean the fans watching it on tele or the fans having to travel around Europe to watch their team play in a league.
Come on. Genuinely? Don't be naive. It's nothing to do with us "legacy" fans.
because he would be in charge of a company that would directly financially gain by the proposal rather than in charge of a company that would lose money due to the proposal.
So... which Bundesliga club do we most naturally end up supporting? Bayern would be the most similar...