First, the model doesn't work for football.
Second , who cares? I and other fans of this club built on a tradition of competitive merit over 100 years. Maybe you need a history lesson about the origins of Manchester United.
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First, the model doesn't work for football.
Second , who cares? I and other fans of this club built on a tradition of competitive merit over 100 years. Maybe you need a history lesson about the origins of Manchester United.
Possibly. But not if it’s just a CL replacement which is all it’s been designed to be. Ultimately the PL now has 6 super rich clubs that can compete for the title - it should improve the product not diminish it. People will say they can just take West Ham’s players etc - but that’s been the case for the last 20 years. The media also seemed to have no issue with City being bankrolled by a state and hoovering talent.
I want two things:
1) The huge amounts of money to filter down the domestic football pyramid - 1bn of that infrastructure money split 6 ways would be a good starting Point.
2) A clear way for other clubs to get into the competition. CL winners get 2 years entry or something. Highest placed in domestic leagues have a playoff. A second tier and relegation would also be good but that won’t happen for a few years - these 12 have taken a massive risk so want them guaranteed money first.
I dont see what this is supposed to prove. Go though the seasons of these dates and the vast majority of founding whatever the feck would all be in CL. Nobody has said all of them qualify every year.
Again you are missing the point. The arbitraryness of it all, deciding that these 15 clubs deserve to be in an exclusive group of clubs who get the most money and automatically qualify is scandalous.
These 15 clubs could theoretically not even be the big boys in 50 years but they have completely secured their growth and financial power by establishing this Super League, taking merit out of the future equation.
Not relegation from their home leagues, relegation from this competition. Without it all integrity is lost. How can Spurs be protected from "Superleague" relegation while Leicester routinely finish above them in the PL and win more trophies than them. Spurs should absolutely face possible relegation from this new competition based on their performances, not their wealth. This is designed so they stay wealthy at the expense of clubs performing better than them.
Everyone's joining in with the digs now.
Sure they're being funny but it just makes me sadder.
Sure they're being funny but it just makes me sadder.
Tottenham, Arsenal, even Chelsea, Liverpool before Klopp came around, Utd since Fergie left, City before their oil money, Milan, Inter - that's the "vast majority" that actually hasn't been more or less guaranteed entry into the CL in the last two decades.
The teams involved in this ESL thing are not in there on merit but on financial power, that's all there is to it.
Both are true. I am from India and I can easily tell you there are huge number of fans across multiple cities here. Similar for other clubs like pool and arsenal. No wonder the American owners want to maximize their profit across the globe. I will not be shocked if they decide to play their finals in the usa or china in a different time zone just for huge revenue. There will be no shortage of viewers as 'supporting' an European team is more like a fashion now a days. The games will become very costly to watch no doubt for someone like me.
Loads of people had a massive fecking problem with that
my word.Talking as a West Ham fan, I think most of us are quite content to play in something like a Europa League, let alone what in truth will end up somewhere between the two in terms of quality. If West Ham still had a decent income that means that we could still enjoy the 'champions' League in its ghosted form, or to not end up looking like Derby if invited to the big boys league.
HOWEVER your missing one hugely vital point.
Most of those clubs you mention will struggle to survive due to debt levels throughout the league and the undoubted massive drop in TV cash that will be coming down the line for those prem clubs.
My guess is 50% of every club from Leicester downwards are gone within 2-3 years due to the debt levels unless the govt was to bail it out, which given they didn't help clubs with the pandemic to any great extent, seems unlikely.
And where are the 15 clubs going to spend the extra money? Fecking Tesco?
Not enough for my liking, go back and check the threadLoads of people had a massive fecking problem with that
So you are fine with removing merit out. Got it. Those who have a big following right now deserve to completely secure their financial future and growth by creating this Super League, again of which we have no indication that it will allow other teams to be included among those 15 who automatically qualify.
Spartak Moscow are one of those banter Twitter pages that are ran from some company in London.
Has there been any reactions by players or managers already?
Sure it's impossible that they knew that before? Look at Pep's reaction after they beat Dortmund recently. I never saw him that happy. What will he be thinking if they now exit the competition on the green table? He must be fuming at the club leadership. Have the clubs underestimated the severity of UEFA's reaction?
Sure it's impossible that they knew that before? Look at Pep's reaction after they beat Dortmund recently. I never saw him that happy. What will he be thinking if they now exit the competition on the green table? He must be fuming at the club leadership. Have the clubs underestimated the severity of UEFA's reaction?
Based on what? Your opinion? How do we know if it's never been tried? Why would I need a history lesson? How is what happened in 1920 relevant to what's happening today?
I'm not saying it will be all players, but the most promising ones will keep their options open. I mean you already have someone like Haaland who is cherry picking his moves and ensuring there are buy out clauses in place so he doesn't need to stay at a club any longer than is necessary. His agent is Raiola who we all know to well has a history of getting players their moves to the big clubs and (without even talking about any of the PL teams) Madrid and Barcelona are likely to remain the dream destination for most players.
I'm not saying I agree with it, I just think that most clubs will be too tempted by the money
That part isn't even respected. Where are Benfica, Marseille or Ajax? They have larger following than Leipzig who are rumoured to have been invited.
I'd just like to say here that the proposed Saudi takeover was very much a problem for me and many others.
No it isn't. Some things in life are best enjoyed frequently, others not. The point is perfectly good. Just like a World Cup every four years is vastly preferable to playing Argentina every second week.
I think if teams rise to a certain level they will expand the league to include them. Maybe a play in tournament with rotating guest teams... who knows?
I get the outrage... I'm an American so it's much easier for me to watch it from an outsider's perspective and enjoy the idea of watching great players every week instead of sitting through the Brighton or Fulham games. But sometimes change can be invigorating. I just think the best players should always be in the same league. American college football wouldn't allow a playoff for years because of sponsor and university interest in all their various bowl games, and now those games are extremely popular though still very much a work in progress.
Think the clubs have underestimated the reaction of the fans.
Yeah, he's just talking complete shit as far as I'm concerned.
Why has merit been removed? If anything clubs need to perform on AND off the field now to gain entry, if anything there is more merit involved.
It is about anticipation not just thinking 'Fecking hell, not them again'.
I cant believe what a stupid idea is. Do they really think people will watch this competition, isolated from any competition, with the same teams year after year forever? Without any of the joys of qualification, of fighting for a place in it, with other clubs over the years which will rise and fall? What about the joy of an away day at an unfamiliar club in Central Europe somewhere? No ones going to want to watch it after a year or two and any of the commercial benefits in sponsorship, tv money and so on will dry up. Then what do they have? Oh please UEFA can we go back in the Champions league now we're really sorry?
Utter garbage of an idea. We should be expelled from the league for supporting this along with the others, but that would probably just give them the idea of setting up their own "super extraordinary premier league". Who the hell these clubs think they are to be better than any other club is beyond me. Football, like state sovereignty, works on equality. Each club faces the same rules and plays by the same rules from Accrington Stanley all the way up to Real Madrid. If you dont - whats the point in victory?
Utter garbage of an idea. We should be expelled from the league for supporting this along with the others, but that would probably just give them the idea of setting up their own "super extraordinary premier league". Who the hell these clubs think they are to be better than any other club is beyond me. Football, like state sovereignty, works on equality. Each club faces the same rules and plays by the same rules from Accrington Stanley all the way up to Real Madrid. If you dont - whats the point in victory?
They probably don't care
I don't think they care. The reaction to this talk has always been negative when its been brought up in the past, they knew how this was going to be received by the majority.
Florentino Perez has done less for football than FIFA, so I will side with international bodies for now
Mostly among themselves as they will attract the best players from the age of 14 onwards.
Mostly among themselves as they will attract the best players from the age of 14 onwards.
Funny the people having digs at AC Milan, Man Utd and Liverpool about not being big enough, when this has Spurs in it
Are you wumming? These 15 clubs don't have to perform well to qualify for the Super League, they automatically do.
Hopefully nowhere!
There is still 15 clubs in the Prem to deal with. 17 clubs in Spain. 19 clubs in France. 20 clubs in Germany. And the rest of the world.
So the Elite top 20 Superleague top of the pops clubs can die a slowly death with their 39 year old players when everybody else tells them to feck off.
More dividend payouts for shareholders I would imagine. One thing is for certain it's not going back into the clubFlorentino Perez has done less for football than FIFA, so I will side with international bodies for now
Mostly among themselves as they will attract the best players from the age of 14 onwards.
I agree with this but the CL is currently dominated by teams with financial power. Then the lower sides use CL money to dominate their domestic league to get back into the CL every season and the cycle continues.
CL has been a closed shop for decades now. Leicester were in it once but has there been a non top 6 CL qualifier apart from them? Why is it a problem now and why are we trying to preserve it? Both scenarios leaves football broken.
They don't though do they.
Because they are guaranteed to be in it every year.
Kronke and Glazers are notorious for leeching as much money as possible. When that money is guaranteed, why do you think they would invest in the team at all? Its more money form THEM, not Manchester United and Arsenal.
Except for those automatic 15 who keep their places in the league regardless?
Unfortunately you are probably right. There will be enough fans in the far corners of the globe who will fork out a fortune to watch this. They won't care about stadium attendances while they get a big TV audience.
Forbes' ranking of valuable Football Clubs, published just a few days ago, for those who think sporting achievement in recent seasons have anything whatsoever to do with who's in the ESL :
| #1 | Barcelona | $4.76 B | 18% | 6% | $792 M | $62 M | |
| #2 | Real Madrid | $4.75 B | 12% | 6% | $792 M | $92 M | |
| #3 | Bayern Munich | $4.22 B | 39% | 0% | $703 M | $49 M | |
| #4 | Manchester United | $4.2 B | 10% | 16% | $643 M | $167 M | |
| #5 | Liverpool | $4.1 B | 88% | 2% | $619 M | $62 M | |
| #6 | Manchester City | $4 B | 49% | 0% | $609 M | $-2 M | |
| #7 | Chelsea | $3.2 B | 24% | 0% | $520 M | $35 M | |
| #8 | Arsenal | $2.8 B | 23% | 7% | $430 M | $47 M | |
| #9 | Paris Saint-Germain | $2.5 B | 129% | 0% | $599 M | $-5 M | |
| #10 | Tottenham Hotspur | $2.3 B | 42% | 39% | $494 M | $134 M | |
| #11 | Juventus | $1.95 B | 29% | 16% | $441 M | $-14 M | |
| #12 | Borussia Dortmund | $1.9 B | 112% | 0% | $405 M | $15 M | |
| #13 | Atletico de Madrid | $1 B | 5% | 26% | $368 M | $62 M | |
| #14 | Inter Milan | $743 M | 11% | 8% | $323 M | $13 M | |
| #15 | Everton | $658 M | 38% | 0% | $235 M | $15 M | |
| #16 | AC Milan | $559 M | -4% | 4% | $165 M | $-92 M | |
| #17 | AS Roma | $548 M | -12% | 56% | $156 M | $-108 M | |
| #18 | West Ham United | $508 M | -18% | 18% | $175 M | $-24 M | |
| #19 | Leicester City | $455 M | - | 17% | $189 M | $-49 M | |
| #20 | Ajax | $413 M | - | 2% | $172 M | $2 M |
Because 15 self-appointed elite teams are now protected from ever failing.