So you have no poblem selling your teams to billionairs from the USA, Russia, or Arabia and butchering the game day shedules to please audiences in China. But a real best vs best profesional leauge is doomsday now? I dont get it.
European Super League
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loads of people shouting vs £300m.
If this Superleague had been around in the 1980s, not even sure MUFC would have been part of it.
It is thanks to the Premier League creation and expansion that the club reached its present status. That was enhanced by the Champions League victories of the 1990s and 2000s.
These founding members are only there based on history, but they have no plan on how new clubs would develop and write their own history thanks to the Superleague.
Arsenal
Surely they should try winning existing competitions before creating new ones.
It is thanks to the Premier League creation and expansion that the club reached its present status. That was enhanced by the Champions League victories of the 1990s and 2000s.
These founding members are only there based on history, but they have no plan on how new clubs would develop and write their own history thanks to the Superleague.
Arsenal
Surely they should try winning existing competitions before creating new ones.Well that will put an end to great projects like Leicester.
Arsenal rewarded for being a sh*t show for years, and will no doubt be financial rewarded too, to bring them back to the top. Whereas Leicester will become a bog standard english team.
No player is going to want to join a club 'on the up', because they won't be in the SL.
There will a much bigger divide in salaries in the prem too.
Unlike other, I enjoy playing random teams in the UCL, it's great for fans who go to games too. There will be no Leipzig or Atalanta ties now. Tough ties without the big name.
Arsenal rewarded for being a sh*t show for years, and will no doubt be financial rewarded too, to bring them back to the top. Whereas Leicester will become a bog standard english team.
No player is going to want to join a club 'on the up', because they won't be in the SL.
There will a much bigger divide in salaries in the prem too.
Unlike other, I enjoy playing random teams in the UCL, it's great for fans who go to games too. There will be no Leipzig or Atalanta ties now. Tough ties without the big name.
Of course he will.
Why is this repeatedly being said? We play the same big teams every year twice in the PL and oddly enough it’s never said about that.
I can't be the only one who likes playing random smaller teams in the CL? Their tiny little grounds, how it's the biggest game in their clubs history playing us or another giant. That's all gone.
I just can't get over how sterile and hollow it'll feel. To go from one season with the CL meaning everything to possibly this next season? Its surreal.
I just can't get over how sterile and hollow it'll feel. To go from one season with the CL meaning everything to possibly this next season? Its surreal.
It would actually be entertaining to see the biggest clubs play each other regulary, on the other hand it leaves all the other clubs behind in the dust and makes all the other competitions irrevelant. I hope it doesn't go through.
Cool. They'd be nowhere near this if they didn't have their billionaire owner.
It would get boring fast.
Like what? If the national FA's ban them from playing in anything but an SL then what exactly do they get?
I'm also not sure why people all of a sudden are really concerned about what happens to the smaller clubs. No one gave a shit when Bury went to the wall or Bolton almost did. Now everyone's up in arms about more money coming into the football pyramid
Sure the sports people will want to compete, but will the money men want to? There's a suspicion amongst the fans that the Glazers only reinvest in the team when the team misses out on CL and that sweet money.
For United fans, there is absolutely zero assurances that we'd not end up a middling team in the so-called Super League, with the Glazers taking all the money and stuffing the pockets.
That was also a short-term interest that faded after a couple of seasons because (a) too many games eventually diluted interest, and, (b) it relied on the high stakes of the two best teams in the world clashing. Neither team are in the same boat anymore so a spate of clashes would not generate the same level of enthusiasm. Where are the stakes when top 8 guarantees a knockout game and there’s no relegation?
One of the regular criticisms foreign players (and most fans) in Scotland make of our game is the dullness of clubs meeting each other so frequently. Throw in higher frequency of meetings with very little stakes and you end up with one of the least watchable concepts around.
Is this real?
Yeah he supports West Ham, somehow
The point is to give everyone equal opportunities to establish themselves as elite. Why can't Midtjylland get elite? Why can't Lincoln Red Imps get elite, or Brighton, or Southampton for that matter? Why are Arsenal and Spurs invited, while Ajax is not? Why should the best be set in stone, and every good player just joins them? It is disgusting to me that people believe some of the clubs should be privileged.
You're probably right.
Not true
Exactly Leeds are not going to make easy on us this weeke just because they are safe and have no chance of reaching a European spot.
It's a closed shop. A lot of teams just freewheel through the season. That is what makes the European leagues so good, that everybody can have their chance to play in the top league and clubs that don't perform well enough, suffer the consequences
They're a wreck of a club.
There was outrage, but it was muted as to be fair no one actually believed it would happen. I think most of us are still holding out hope its all a ploy, but it looks far too advanced now.
Football hasn't been equal for decades, and if any of those clubs were going to become elite, they would have done so already. The CL has been going for decades, guess who keeps winning it?
Because it's not every week. You might have a "big" game every 4-6 weeks at the moment. If it is literally every single week it will burn out, interest won't be as high, fans won't care about missing one.
Not exactly my point. Say 8 matches left and City are gone with the league. What would United, Chelsea, etc. compete for? Play the youngsters and focus on Super League. You have no incentive to play your star players and risk injury. With a Champ League qualification, you still have those teams competing for something and players are pushing for something.
It does happen. In the sense that clubs must qualify for the tournament to be eligible to actually enter. Today Arsenal and Tottenham have a god given right to participate every year despite league performance.
If the big money and prestige is in the Super League, it will affect the priority of the domestic league as a product. There are so many games with the suggested 10 team divisions + cup play that there won't be space for the domestic cups on top of the domestic league.
Financial disparities between the "big 12" and the leagues will be enormous.
It's not as simple as one competition replacing another.
This replaces tradition and a mode of competition through qualification that we've been used to since the inception of the game.
The truly upsetting thing is that no one asked for this. The fans didn't ask for this, and literally every official supporter group of the club has come out AGAINST this, strongly.
The driving forces behind this project are the American club owners that are introducing a American style of cup competition similar to the Stanley Cup and NBA playoffs.
Removing merit from competition ultimately renders the competition hollow.
Theatre of Dreams, just not the fan's dreams.
Just because you don’t give a shit about what happens to the football league or the clubs operating within it, doesn’t mean others are the same.
Why would you think that?
Take Bruno as an example. And that example is 5 years ago.
You are playing in Sampdoria on loan. Who the feck knows you're there?!
And you're gonna do what? Turn down a contract from Sporting because you believe in yourself and believe that you are Manchester United and SL material?
And you will run down your contract with Sampdoria on that belief? With your wife and kids waiting to be fed.
All of you seem to forget that not all football is played by the top 20 clubs. It's probably the best catch to feck them with.
I might be wrong, but seems a good shout.
Probably yes. The source of that nonsense mainly comes from what used to be the G14, here are the members until 2007: Real Madrid, Barcelona, PSG, Manchester United, Liverpool, Ajax, Milan, Juventus, Inter, Marseille, Lyon, Bayern, Porto, Valencia, Leverkusen, Inter, PSV and Arsenal, four teams joins after 2000. This lot has tried to create the super league in the early 2000s and they eventually created the ECA where they also tried/threaten to create a super league but the members of that super league always adapted to who was the big boy at the time because the only thing that matters is money.
I gave up trying to work my way through this thread about page 65. Is it Amazon who are going to show it, will it be part of their Prime package or separate. If United are out of CL, F.A. Cup and PL then no point in having BT or Sky Sports, if everybody cancels their subscriptions it will destroy football. The drop in TV income will be devastating.
It’s going to be funny watching players and managers dance around the subject from now to the end of the season. Imagine if the players who say representing their country is their proudest moments accept not being able to play at the Euro’s or WC.
What? So fans around the world watch United play Burnley but won’t watch United against Madrid because they played Barcelona 4 weeks earlier and we can’t possibly watch another big game. There’s so much potentially wrong with the ESL but the idea it isn’t going to be watched is shite.
It will, it sounds exciting at first, but it will soon wear off, especially if you keep losing.
How many "big games" are there in the league? 20% of them?
This new thing is supposed to be all big games. If every game is special, none of them are special.
Of course I will still watch but it'll certainly lose any novelty very quickly.
I think you're projecting way too much. You're presenting a much more selfish view of the footballing world than quite a few on here at least. Football isn't just about Man Utd to me or plenty of others.
United have still not tweeted.
Jesus, if you wanted a pat on the back because Manchester United has achieved things in the past I'm sure they could have come up with some kind of lifetime achievement trophy. Competitions have value because you have to win games to get into them and you have to win games to stay in them. Life is no fun if everything just gets handed to you on a plate.
There are no consequences, there is no relegation. There is continuous membership forever. You don't have to earn anything.
They posted the statement on their website without tweeting about it.
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...e-new-super-league-competition-18-april-2021#
Isn't that part of the problem. It is about fans round the world and feck the local fans who have been the base most of these clubs were built on.
Football is at its best when its about stakes/competition.
Loads of teams always put their feet up when there's nothing to play for at the end of the season.