It'll go in the owners pockets.
European Super League
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It'll go in the owners pockets.
1. I wonder how they came up with these large sums of money? Why would a TV company spend so much money on TV rights under these unclear and unstable conditions?
2. The CL has it's problems but this new League does too. After the first places in the group stage are secured the games become pointless. It is simply impossible to design a competition in which all games are interesting and all teams are guaranteed many games.
2. The CL has it's problems but this new League does too. After the first places in the group stage are secured the games become pointless. It is simply impossible to design a competition in which all games are interesting and all teams are guaranteed many games.
This has nothing to do with merit. This is Americans stealing the most recognizable brands in the game and franchising them. One step away from "New Trafford" being built away from Manchester.
The FA needs to work with the government to shake up the whole system. There are laws to prevent oligopolies - where the market is dominated by small group of large organizations who collude to prevent market competition. This is now what we have in football and a forced sale of shares is the only option in my opinion. All clubs must now be owned 50% by the fans.
The FA needs to work with the government to shake up the whole system. There are laws to prevent oligopolies - where the market is dominated by small group of large organizations who collude to prevent market competition. This is now what we have in football and a forced sale of shares is the only option in my opinion. All clubs must now be owned 50% by the fans.
The point is that they absolutely won't get access in any meaningful way. Nobody new will ever be able to get to the top table again.
Have you actually bothered reading anything about this yet? It is a closed shop. Only the 15 founder clubs will make any money out of this and they will get way more money for participating than the paltry amount that will be given to the winner.
The money paid out to the 15 will dwarf the amount paid to any of the extra 5 who can play each year.
If by some miracle any of those 5 clubs manage to win the thing they'll get feck all for doing and it won't help them maintain financial parity with the 15.
Loads of shit takes this thread has:
"PL should throw them out of the league" - It'll result in an huge devaluation of Premier League, the other 14 clubs will be majorly fecked
"The players in ESL shouldn't be allowed in World Cup" - FIFA will never follow up, they'll lose a shit loads of sponsors.
"Other clubs should refuse to sell players to ESL clubs" - Almost certainly will result in players moving out on free contracts and anyways a lot of smaller clubs rely on transfer earnings.
Once again, this league is fecking gross but the above aren't the right ideas to overthrow.
"PL should throw them out of the league" - It'll result in an huge devaluation of Premier League, the other 14 clubs will be majorly fecked
"The players in ESL shouldn't be allowed in World Cup" - FIFA will never follow up, they'll lose a shit loads of sponsors.
"Other clubs should refuse to sell players to ESL clubs" - Almost certainly will result in players moving out on free contracts and anyways a lot of smaller clubs rely on transfer earnings.
Once again, this league is fecking gross but the above aren't the right ideas to overthrow.
Yes unless you implement a salary cap like the American NBA, these same teams will always dominate. And with all the corruption money is paid under the table anyway.
Why would they need to spend it? You see, there's this little thing called "dividends"....
I just don't understand the concept of a league without relegation. It is non-competative. There are too many private orginisations operating within football. There should be 1 FA in each country that controls everything. We don't need the Premier League, EFL, ESL etc etc. Massive reform needed resulting in most of these groups getting to feck.
Is that a word?
Arent Leipzig gonna join? What have they ever performed on or off the field, aside from being funded by a very rich company tha produces a shit energy drink.
The money they have isnt even oil money. Bunch of cheats.
Hope this breakaway will not happen and they can come up with something that satisfies to an extent many of the clubs. This feels more like a big flex to properly revise the CL.
I like the current format, it's been expanded from the old European Cup but I can see it doesn't maximize perhaps many viewers desires, the growth of the game and earnings, it did at one point during the 2000s. I don't think the propsed Super League cuts it either.
There's so much upheaval, damage, history and ethical things wrong that surely a bigger compromise has to be made. There has to be a way for Uefa to get the big clubs playing each other a bit more and generate bigger revenues. Yes you want to keep European games special but there's a flaw in some teams never meeting and the CL spewing out repeated ties like Chelsea v PSG, that's not special either.
I like the current format, it's been expanded from the old European Cup but I can see it doesn't maximize perhaps many viewers desires, the growth of the game and earnings, it did at one point during the 2000s. I don't think the propsed Super League cuts it either.
There's so much upheaval, damage, history and ethical things wrong that surely a bigger compromise has to be made. There has to be a way for Uefa to get the big clubs playing each other a bit more and generate bigger revenues. Yes you want to keep European games special but there's a flaw in some teams never meeting and the CL spewing out repeated ties like Chelsea v PSG, that's not special either.
I think you missed the thread where 95% of people were VERY vocal and hostile towards the idea of a saudi takeover of the club, myself included.
Yep.
From the reports I've seen, actually winning the SL will have little financial impact relative to what the elite 15 gain from just being involved. So why would the likes of the Glazers spend money they could keep for themselves when the financial consequences of the team struggling have been removed?
They've effective removed any consequences attached to under-investing in the team.
It's American end off. This is the country who need a winner in games, but can let teams be absolutely shit and not get kicked out of their league for it.
Although I am pleased it is only a minority it is also disapointing that there is a selection who appears to be in favour. It is something that we as fans could have a real say in if we are all on the same page
To think that a bunch of billionaires who only got involved in football within the last 15 years are looking to change the entire face of the sport purely to earn themselves more money is a terrible prospect. Handing over full control to these parasites is the end. You have to see eventually the domestic league would follow suit as well.
I wonder how they will select the 5 extra teams each season? Will it be on merit or will they open it up to the latest team from Dubai or China?
What will this all mean from teams from Croatia, Serbia, Belgium etc... all have good clubs who although wont ever win the CL still make an impact and often reach knockout stages?
To think that a bunch of billionaires who only got involved in football within the last 15 years are looking to change the entire face of the sport purely to earn themselves more money is a terrible prospect. Handing over full control to these parasites is the end. You have to see eventually the domestic league would follow suit as well.
I wonder how they will select the 5 extra teams each season? Will it be on merit or will they open it up to the latest team from Dubai or China?
What will this all mean from teams from Croatia, Serbia, Belgium etc... all have good clubs who although wont ever win the CL still make an impact and often reach knockout stages?
Also, the SL has turned up the charm factor additionally by pre-emptively throwing lawyers at the problem.
Like it.
My bad misunderstood your post
Some of these clubs are heavily in debt so its literally just a money making scheme. I don't see clubs from other nations such as Holland, Portugal, Scotland or Belgium included when some clubs from these nations have been doing better than the clubs from the top leagues listed.
C’mon Woodward stop hiding, let’s be hearing from you.
100% nail on the head. They build a bubble, include themselves as untouchable in terms of risk, whilst at the same time reaping the financial awards. They will invest even less in the club. Get those blood sucking leaches out of our club
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I wonder if some clubs left out from other nations (Netherlands, Portugal, Scotland) will think feck it, let’s start our own league
Brighton who could have beaten us and however late, it was a reasonable watch.
As opposed to the shit game v Chelski?
The arrogance of some to think they're the "top clubs" is staggering. For City they're successful but Leicester have won a league recently, where are they?
United are invited because of their name and brand, we haven't won the league for 8 years. They've only got that brand from a century of history and fan support (including when we got relegated - Everton haven't) which involved plenty of games v Brighton
Why would Madrid sell a player to United when they're competing in the same league and have equal funding?Florentino Perez has done less for football than FIFA, so I will side with international bodies for now
Mostly among themselves as they will attract the best players from the age of 14 onwards.
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Wasn't there a rumour of Holland and Belgium merging their leagues? Could do the same with Portugal and Spain.
I really don't know what to do if this actually happens. I would not want to support or watch a ESL but I also would be devastated to not have Utd in my life. Would certain players leave? Would the club ever be the same? I couldn't support anyone else so it essentially means I would stop watching football, which is one of my biggest passions in life.
It's fecked. I honestly despise these parasitic owners.
It's fecked. I honestly despise these parasitic owners.
Yeah this is a major worry, investment in United was mostly done for the return it would garner. We had to spend to bring in players to ensure we would be in the CL, it was even built into sponsorship clauses. Now if we're guaranteed an income and entry into the competition where is the motivation to build a better team? If anything investing big and failing to win the Super League is going to be a bad investment, the safer bet is to take the income and do just enough to not get relegated from the PL and your financial situation is going to constantly improve.
Sure. But have you heard of Haaland two years ago when he played for RB Salzburg?
That's what i'm talking about. No one in their right mind would turn down a contract with a club other then SL20 clubs when given a chance to play football on a regular basis.
Dani Olmo went from Barcelona to Dinamo fecking Zagreb because he wanted to play football and he saw a chance. He now plays regulary for Spanish national team. I know, i watched him play live for Dinamo a couple of times. The kid was miles ahead of everyone else.
Now, if all the clubs in Europe tell the Superleague 20 clubs to feck off and not deal with them, their pool of players is substantialy poorer.
Football will continue to evolve without them.
Your last sentence is the hard part.
Staying togetger in all that. Telling them to feck off unanimously.
Dan Roan: United and Real Madrid "ringleaders", 3 US-owned PL clubs sold on NFL model of closed league, others see it more as leverage over UEFA
Yeah I can see it now: "Your £150m for Grealish is no good here, we only take money that we earned via PL rankings"
It's a franchise controlled and governed by a certain 12 clubs. Reminds me of an old genetlemans club. We will be in here and we cant get relegated but will still suck all the money out and wont have to put anything back in
I actually think they might become some of the beneficiaries if the SL doesn't take off like intended. The CL will lose some of it's glamour, but being at the top of the european footballing pyramid might still be more glamourous than winning the european wannabe NBA.
I'm not missing the point. You're talking last me entirely.
Forget the flipping super league. I'm not talking about that right now.
I'm talking about the remaining clubs and the two outstanding European competitions and what happens there.
Let sjust agree the super league is awful, let's say its terrible that clubs can't get into it. Cool, agreed.
That still leaves us with the reality though that clubs like Everton etc will now be qualifying for the champions league with a regularity that they simply never has done. My question is this - could the fact that they play in a European competition with regularity ALBEIT A LESS PRESTIGIOUS VERSION, still be a good thing for those clubs?
If Everton qualified for the new champions league 10 times in 20 years, is that not better than them qualifying once as a freak result for the current champions league and only once?
That's my question. If you carry on going on abojt qualification for the super league then you're literally just not reading what I am saying. For the sake of discussions, let's just say it's bad they can't make it there. That isn't simply the be all and end all though.
What happens with the Europa and the champions league now? Does this become filled with new teams, teams who previously never qualified? If so, is there a discussion to be had about possible positives of this for those clubs?
I don't know how to word this any clearer. Do Everton stand to make more money because of future European football they likely would not have qualified for otherwise? I DON'T KNOW, THIS IS WHY I AM DISCUSSING IT AND TRYING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. It might be that it doesn't but we're not even getting there, all anyone is stuck at is this new, third European competition. There's still two others to discuss.
As far as I know this does not replace the champions league or the Europa League. What do these competitions now look like?
Spurs are one of "Europe’s leading football clubs"
The Super League itself has been just a matter of time IMO. Nobody wants to play the likes of Midtjylland or Krasnodar and share the TV/sponsorship money with them. UEFA are shady as feck too. Then there are teams like us and Arsenal who spend more time in the Europa League than the Champions League in the past years so this league format is a perfect protection from our own failures. In fairness we will definitely see more of high quality football because the CL is a borefest until the later knockout stages but it just kills football for the rest teams that are not invited to the party and will create even bigger gap. UEFA will be in big trouble without money generated from those clubs and it will heavily affect the whole football pyramid down to the bottom. Unfortunately there is nothing anybody can do, all these threats from UEFA/FIFA are laughable.
The Super League itself has been just a matter of time IMO. Nobody wants to play the likes of Midtjylland or Krasnodar and share the TV/sponsorship money with them. UEFA are shady as feck too. Then there are teams like us and Arsenal who spend more time in the Europa League than the Champions League in the past years so this league format is a perfect protection from our own failures. In fairness we will definitely see more of high quality football because the CL is a borefest until the later knockout stages but it just kills football for the rest teams that are not invited to the party and will create even bigger gap. UEFA will be in big trouble without money generated from those clubs and it will heavily affect the whole football pyramid down to the bottom. Unfortunately there is nothing anybody can do, all these threats from UEFA/FIFA are laughable.
The Glazers have spent more money than ever in the last 8 years so that doesn't hold true at all. I don't care what Arsenal do either, good luck to them
Surprised to see @mods havent set up a poll for this. One of the biggest discussion points in the history of football.
It's not just United & Real. The Athletic wrote:
"The biggest drivers of the current Super League proposals are, according to multiple sources, Real Madrid, Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal. The clubs’ statement said that Perez would be the chairman of the league, while Manchester United’s Joel Glazer and Agnelli, the Juventus chairman would be vice-presidents. It was reported that Liverpool’s John W Henry, and Arsenal’s Stan Kroenke would also have vice-chairman roles."
[skipped the part about Tottenham]
"Manchester City and Chelsea were later subscribers to the plan and City’s positioning is particularly ironic as the club have long complained that the majority of “super clubs” in Europe have conspired to limit the club’s spending and squeeze them out of the established elite. The possible participation of Chelsea and City has been described by sources as more out of a desire not to be left behind, than a fervent desire to lead the charge."