I'm not sure how it's outside the realms of possibility. This isn't like last season where ETH was in his second season coming off finishing 3rd and a cup, and we had the new ownership question hanging over us. This season he's started off the back of one of our worst in history, and INEOS are now settled and let's be honest ETH isn't their manager to begin with, so I can't see their patience running for very long if we go another sustained amount of time with poor football, and embarrassing results.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25
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I'm not sure how it's outside the realms of possibility. This isn't like last season where ETH was in his second season coming off finishing 3rd and a cup, and we had the new ownership question hanging over us. This season he's started off the back of one of our worst in history, and INEOS are now settled and let's be honest ETH isn't their manager to begin with, so I can't see their patience running for very long if we go another sustained amount of time with poor football, and embarrassing results.
Two games is too early but still, how have we looked solid? Conceded shitty goals against Brighton with large spells of doing nothing and struggled badly to score against Fulham
His tactics are mental. De Zerbi was who we should have gone for. I'm fully expecting Ruud to be the interim coach by December.
We're conceding less and creating more, and the spaces are definitely smaller, but he just isn't all that a manager.
I do think people are waiting for Ten Hag to fail now, and there's an element on here that seem to be enjoying the prospect. I can't be doing with that, we need some stability now to bed in the new players (quite a few of them, so not easy).
He's a good enough manager to get us top 4 and a cup run or two. I would expect us to be a much harder side to beat with all the work done on the defensive side this transfer window; so we can't be losing games to Brighton.
He's a good enough manager to get us top 4 and a cup run or two. I would expect us to be a much harder side to beat with all the work done on the defensive side this transfer window; so we can't be losing games to Brighton.
To be fair, the final goal we conceded looked like a bunch of defenders that had never played together before... which to be fair, they hadn't.
Let's have some real conversations in the thread it's pretty obvious you can only write stuff if it's put in the proper way.
I realy think in my opinion Eric ten Hag needs to be given time In his position at the club known as Manchester United .
I realy think in my opinion Eric ten Hag needs to be given time In his position at the club known as Manchester United .
We have a neutral goal difference already and did not look good in anynof the games. Not sure you find many positives
So? It is his job to fix that. We looked shit last season and we have had these defenders for years too
Do you think EtH told all the players to swarm round the ball like school kids whilst ignoring free players at the back post? You can blame EtH for many things but that one is on the players.
He get a lot of praise for the win against City in the final, so much that he even kept his job despite breaking numerous negative records and finishing 8th with a negative GD.
So if he gets praise for the win then he also gets blame for the defeats.
If we get eaten up here.... It's going to be peak. ETH has to be sensible here, we can't be open like we have been, and ffs there's nothing wrong with a long pass over the top for our (willing) runners... this trying to pass it around for ages shit does my head in a bit tbh
For me it's a ceiling as having a limited manager can only take the team so far, the small nuances that fans are highlighting as positives three years into the managers reign, another more competent manager does within the opening game at the start of their first season.
To use a boxing analogy Erik is like a fighter who can't their rhythm in the opening rounds and therefore struggles throughout the 12 round fight. Consequently the fighter keeps having to 'reset' finding their range, distance and angles to gather momentum and impose themselves.
The same example is prevalent with the manager trying significantly different approaches each season yielding very little fruit, so it means the team doesn't build from season to season instead they keep starting from new foundations providing no long-term stability. It's looking increasingly likely that the trajectory for United will be the quality of the team drastically improving but the output in performances not matching the respective capabilities of the players due to inept management.
It's already happened as last season Onana / Amrabat were supposed to be a type of guarantee in expectation for a successful implementation of a newer structure and neither contributed to the narrative that was exalted before they were acquired by the club.
This season likely will see the same with Ugarte, I don't see much change happening until INEOS decide to go with a new coach.
I don't really think it's "Mental" at all if the assumption is that we'll still be toiling around in 6th-8th place by then with some horrid results. Obviously if we are top 4 then he won't be sacked, but if we are through half the season and nothing has really changed then feck yes he should be canned.
I have a feeling there's something off with de Zerbi. Ending up at Marseille after he was being talked about for the top jobs in England seems strange. They finished the season in poor form and I think de Zerbi jumped ship as he knew he had been found out.
At the same time, we basically have his first choice XI of fit players that he's bought/wanted himself. If you can't implement and go toe to toe with Liverpool now (who haven't signed anyone apart from Chiesa as of this morning) with a brand new manager and style then you never will. I understand the temptation to be conservative and in reality that's probably the best way to get a result, but my goodness it's also damning if we have to cede 70% of possession again and resort to Rashford diagonals to hopefully create a couple of chances. Would mean essentially 0 progress has been made.
2 games in, and half the defence is new with no pre season. I can understand why there might be a bit of disorganisation and forgive it.
What I find harder to forgive is Rashford, a senior player, consistently ballsing up his runs, I'm with Shearer on that. He doesnt have that excuse. We should have scored at least 1 more goal in that game.
Amrabat was a loan signing so I don't know why your expectations were so high, and Onana, admittedly did not have a great start. But he's not the first United goalie to need time to adjust plus he was, again, playing in an inconsistent defence with poor midfield protection (partly a result of ETH choices, admittedly). We have made sensible signings that address many of these weaknesses and you can see the logic. Let's give them a chance before writing the whole thing off. On paper this is a better group of players than we had last season.
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Re Ruud though, I seriously hope not. Ruud shouldn't be anywhere near the top of the list. Hell the stories were that he wasn't even wanting to be a head coach at the moment. No way he's suddenly ready to manage United within a few months and with little experience. It'd just be another poor decision by the club with no logic to it. We turned our noses up at much better coaches this summer.
The 2 players that deserted their positions and left 3 players unmarked in the area they should have been defending was Dalot and Martinez who have played together many times, in fairness to Dalot though he isnt really a LB and is only there because Malacia is injured and Shaw is only ever fit when England come calling.
Martinez, Mazraoui, De Ligt and Onana have all played together before for Ajax. Well, De Ligt didn't play with Martinez but that's it. Dalot was the odd man out
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Instead of speculating how bad things could get, you could be positive and hopeful; that’s on you.
I want us to win Sunday, but I swear there is a bunch of posters on here that want us to lose.
Against Pool, Arsenal and Cheaty I don’t care how we win. We are still the underdog (but hopefully not for much longer).
I agree with this. I’m a bit bemused by all the giddiness about Ruud being our manager by Christmas. Love the Bloke, but massively under qualified and it would be a very questionable move.
Re Ruud though, I seriously hope not. Ruud shouldn't be anywhere near the top of the list. Hell the stories were that he wasn't even wanting to be a head coach at the moment. No way he's suddenly ready to manage United within a few months and with little experience. It'd just be another poor decision by the club with no logic to it. We turned our noses up at much better coaches this summer.
I desperately want us to win on Sunday, but that doesn't mean I can't be realistic about a manager who I didn't want kept on in the first place. I'd bet my house that nobody aside from WUM rival posters on here genuinely want Manchester United to lose games. They simply want what's best for the club.
He also said multiple times last season in post match interviews we were the most exciting team in the country. So you shouldn't listen to what he says in post match interviews to be honest.
Yep we can't score and we can't defend leads. Historically that's been a bad combination in football.
I don't listen to any post-match interviews, to be honest.
From anyone.
What do you expect? 'Oh yeah, we're shit and I feel fecked. These lads are useless. Sack the board.'
Somehow doubt it.
No United fan wants to lose against Liverpool. Stop talking nonsense.
Expect form managers in interviews?
These days nothing. But it was odd for him to claim we were the most exciting team in the country when we were actually dogshit to watch for the majority of last season. And you could count the amount of genuinely good performances on one hand.
There's a lot of wiggle room between admitting we were shit to sounding deluded.
Re Ruud though, I seriously hope not. Ruud shouldn't be anywhere near the top of the list. Hell the stories were that he wasn't even wanting to be a head coach at the moment. No way he's suddenly ready to manage United within a few months and with little experience. It'd just be another poor decision by the club with no logic to it. We turned our noses up at much better coaches this summer.
Well if he gets sacked mid-season it'll very likely be Ruud as interim.
Think you’ve missed the point here mate.
I could understand interim, though I'll be the first to say that the situation was entirely predictable after keep Ten Hag, and that it's just cost us another season.
But if he ever did end up interim, I'll just be praying we don't cave in for a third (or fourth or fifth maybe?) time to fan pressure over managers, if they're asking for us to make him permanent.
He has been given plenty of time and plenty of backing.
I really think Ten Hag is here to stay and he has been backed. I know previous managers were technically backed with huge transfers but I feel INEOS really have done everything right by signing players that suits him and the way Ten Hag wants United to play football. I highly doubt if he gets sacked it's going to be a mid season thing. He's going to be judged off of last season and surely it won't be worse. I think he will be analysed on the progress. I don't think the powers that be are expecting him to win the League this season. I would image the main goal is top four.
I think Ten Hag has earned a lot of brownie points. He's won a trophy two years in a row. I know football is about results and its a ruthless business but the fact that Ten Hag kept his head throughout the media frenzy last season, the Ronaldo saga, the Sancho saga, the turmoil of the club being up for sale.... he has shown he is made of tough stuff mentally.
On the other hand, the progress has to be made but it's like the club is on restart with Ten Hag and the team. INEOS will probably treat this as his first season (as its under a new structure).
My point being, with all the stuff he's had to deal with, Ten Hag is the one steady thing through all this. After getting through all that pressure, the rewards can pay off. Progress has got to be made, though!
He has had 2 full seasons which is more than enough time
How much time though?
This has to be sarcasm
What’s best for the club is to support the players and the manager. You aren’t doing that by doom mongering.