He'll survive. He'll get a decent result against Spurs and the agony will be extended.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran are here to talk about a frustrating 2 points dropped at Crystal Palace. They then discuss the regeneration of Old Trafford. Finally, Nik is joined by special guest Michael Statham from the Football Oranje podcast - who gives us a more in depth look at our EL opposition FC Twente, and then runs through the (many) Dutch connections currently at United.
Absolutely. It was just partly papered over by an insane Rashford streak in the first year, but there really is no consistent way of getting goals under ETH.
Yes, all other concerns should be temporarily case aside, significant short term pain inflicted, in pursuit of improving consensus in our online fanbase. A thing that definitely matters a great deal.
He did a number on a lot of fans by blaming the media for hounding him out, with a bit of Mourinho-like posturing for good measure - the media were asking general and fair questions based on his completely mediocre performance as manager week to week the previous season. They were just saying what a lot of people thought - he’s not the right man for the job and nothing this season so far has suggested otherwise.
TBF the opinions of fans have seemed to matter a lot since Fergie retired, which is a problem because when fan opinion has been almost always wrong about United.
I'm genuinely scratching my head trying to think of a decision the club made that was actively unpopular at the time the club made it. Maybe Phil Jones and Jesse Lingard contract extensions and the Mount and Fellaini signings? But beyond that they've almost always gone for players fans were happy with and the overwhelming fan favourite for managers.
Where are the sacking rumours?
I don’t enjoy our games anymore. We play shit football even though we have very few injuries this season. He can no longer hide behind that excuse. He needs to go.
Let's give him a bit of time, folks. Fergie took 5-6 years before he started churning out nice football. if you can't support us when we're shite, you can't support us when we're good. I will reserve my judgement until the end of this year at the very least
People in desperate helpless situations take comfort in convincing themselves that they have more agency than they do. Meanwhile fan opinion is led by the decisions the club makes, or often the rumours that signal the decisions the club will soon make public, rather than the other way around.
We feel outdated tactically. There's so much emphasis on our wide players none of whom have either the ability or the consistency (or both) to deliver. The middle? Doesn't seem to matter. If we attack through the centre the only way that's going to end is with a 30 yard speculative effort.
The other issue there is no movement whenever anyone is looking for a pass. You see it all the time. The only person moving at all, will be the person with the ball. The rest? Mostly statuesque. We're among the worst teams I've ever seen for creating space and it produces such slow, laboured and blunt attacks.
Nothing we do up front looks deliberate. We just look to benefit from a series of fortunate ricochets and deflections.
The other issue there is no movement whenever anyone is looking for a pass. You see it all the time. The only person moving at all, will be the person with the ball. The rest? Mostly statuesque. We're among the worst teams I've ever seen for creating space and it produces such slow, laboured and blunt attacks.
Nothing we do up front looks deliberate. We just look to benefit from a series of fortunate ricochets and deflections.
Just waiting for Luke Shaw to come back before we can, finally, start to judge ten Hags managerial credentials.
Because Sir Alex wasn't anyone special and given time any numbnuts can do the same?
Took four years to paint Sistine chapel, so letting a toddler loose with a can of paint in your living room just requires patience!
Not me. I’ve seen enough.
Every game is pure torture, and a grind.
The question is, is he getting the best out of this group of player and the answer is 100% No.
Time to go.
I'm mostly bored about reading the same shite about him week after week on here by now. I'm rarely excited to watch us still, results need to improve very quickly or he needs to go. Win at Spurs is a must for me.
Top trolling, you caught two already.
Not win again Spurs should be curtains. He keeps on making the same decisions that dont work. Set up, players, formation. Madness really
“Heh, we won two cups so are the best team after City, heh.”And people are still defending this clown
That’s a huge disrespect to Wenger. ETH is nowhere near him.
He's had plenty of time and plenty of backing, he's just not good enough - it's as simple as that.
Hate losing but if it means Ten Hag gets sacked and it's this early in the season maybe losing to Spurts at the weekend will eventually but a positive for the team.
Win vs Spurs won’t change anything besides sparking the creating of “a foundation has been built”/“turning the corner” type threads, and making the “back” percentile in this thread go up a bit - a few posts talking about “we’re improving” - only to then get fondled by Porto and Villa or something. Have you guys not seen this movie enough? Long-term we’re going nowhere with this guy
I really don't understand why/how we ended up with him in charge for this season.
With the very strong rumours he was getting the sack no matter what happened in the FA cup final, I was very surprised.
Is it because there were no other viable options to replace him?
With the very strong rumours he was getting the sack no matter what happened in the FA cup final, I was very surprised.
Is it because there were no other viable options to replace him?
Its wild. It’s absolutely astonishing how flaky, indecisive, flippy floppy some people are. Like harsh reality is staring them in the face still they choose to ignore that.
Winning now is just delaying the inevitable. He's not good enough, and at this point he's had long enough to prove that.
What's his plan to score a goal against a low-block?
We know that part of his plan is to lure the press and hoof it forward to play off the transition, which is a shocking plan, but nonetheless is a plan.
What's his plan when teams have numbers behind the ball?
There's no overlap from the fullbacks and there appears to be no clear instruction to the players about what their base objective should be...is it pass and move, is it work it into Zirkzee and play off him, is it overlap / underlap and cross...? There's no repeatable patters and its unclear what is being discussed and coached on the training ground.
The one thing we do see is Dalot popping up in strange attacking positions....but why? There's a reason he's a full-back. Whenever he does get forward he usually runs out of ideas or does have the nuances in his game to pick the right pass or make the right choice. He's a decent footballer "for a fullback", but you wouldn't want him at #10!
We know that part of his plan is to lure the press and hoof it forward to play off the transition, which is a shocking plan, but nonetheless is a plan.
What's his plan when teams have numbers behind the ball?
There's no overlap from the fullbacks and there appears to be no clear instruction to the players about what their base objective should be...is it pass and move, is it work it into Zirkzee and play off him, is it overlap / underlap and cross...? There's no repeatable patters and its unclear what is being discussed and coached on the training ground.
The one thing we do see is Dalot popping up in strange attacking positions....but why? There's a reason he's a full-back. Whenever he does get forward he usually runs out of ideas or does have the nuances in his game to pick the right pass or make the right choice. He's a decent footballer "for a fullback", but you wouldn't want him at #10!
ಠ_ಠ Not sure if meme
Fans pressure and INEOS unable to secure Tuchel / de Zerbi, but I think it’s mostly the former. Believe it or not I still expect fans to put pressure on them to keep him now because for some reason we have developed a collective sense of superiority over other fan groups which is heavily predicated on us ‘standing behind manager’. You still have people appearing here and saying we need to give him more years because Fergie only started winning after 5-6. It’s complete lunacy, levels of delusion unfathomable to a normal football follower.
I turned it off at 1-0 as I had to get up early. When I looked up the result it didn't surprise me at all. Unfortunately.
Excellent post. Sums up my feelings perfectly. Agree with everything.
It’s gone on a lot longer than ETH has been here. We’ve hit 70+ once I think and that’s purely because we played an entire game against 10 man Southampton. It would be interesting if someone can be bothered to work out the standard deviation of goals from each season, I’d assume the Mou 2nd season would be when we were the best.
No point in getting in the best of the class elsewhere when we've got this fool in charge of the playing squad.
Each to their own, but I absolutely don't believe it was a factor whatsoever.
Carry on like this and he’ll probably be gone by the end of the next international break.
We can't just keep holding out and give every manager 5-6 years in case they turn into the next Fergie. It's not going to happen - Fergie was a one off. We need to move away from this fantasy. That being said I'm all for giving the manager adequate time - which I think Ten Hag has had now to start 'churning out nice football' or at the very least an improvement on the last two years.
We're at the point where even scraping a win at Tottenham or Villa would mean we're just delaying the inevitable, like when Ole beat Spurs in the middle of that terrible run that got him sacked. You would think that if we don't see some massive improvements, and I mean massive, in the next two games he'll be gone in the next international break.
Big game v Spurs needed or else this ice will start cracking. This is where EtH needs to take the reigns and deliver some statement results. It's down to him and the team now, big results needed effectively 3 wins.
Thomas Tuchel is still out of a job, and De Zerbi signed for Marseille in late june. I'm sure INEOS could've gotten one of them if they really tried. Not buying that explanation at all.
The Tammy Wynettes on the other hand... It is indeed surprising how parts of our fan base took the words of SAF a bit to literally.
The ice has already cracked and he's fell through. Look at the poll, listen to the sentiment in here and online, look at our results and performances, listen to the likes of Andy Mitten and Laurie Whitwell try to spin positives while clearly referencing decent from match going fans. Many managers better than Ten Hag haven't been able to recover from this position.
Suspect they'll go back to Tuchel when Ten Hag gets booted.