Skåre Willoch
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He'll be gone before christmas. Too bad it'll be to late for a replacement to do anything other than fight for top 6 or something like that.
Sorry, 13 before Christmas. 14 before new year.That’s surely not correct?!
It staggered me last year how many would jump to his defence. I'd understand it if it looked like some kind of identity or style that might work was developing and taking time to develop but (and accepting that I am far from an expert in football tactics) that's not the case as far as I can see, because it's can't be the intention to play so openly as to allow teams to dominate the midfield.
Two full seasons in, the players (most of whom he's asked for or approved) either don't understand what he's asking them to do; can't do it; or, the whole system is so flawed that it'll never work in the PL.
The oddest part of all of this for me is that as a "cup team" in one of games, we actually look alright, but the whole thing is so chaotic it'll never work over a full season.
We can't defend, can't control the midfield and are toothless in attack. How is he still in a job?
That’s some Mike Basset stuff. I was expecting him to tell the journo to “feck off” at the end and storm out.Wow. I can't remember when journos openly attacked and went in debate with our manager like this. Never seen something like this.
Finally journos with balls.
Getting a Pep or a Klopp is indeed an extremely tricky process.
However, to have never had a single manager come even close to a major trophy in an 11 year span is incredible, especially when you consider the automy they've had. Other clubs in that period who haven't had long-term successful managers have still had more success. And yeah, we should have had more than 5 permanent managers in that period. I would have binned off most of them before they eventually got the sack.
Season | xPts (Expected Points) | Actual Points | Table Position | xPts Position |
23/24 | 44.24 | 60 | 8th | 15th |
22/23 | 66.4 | 75 | 3rd | 5th |
21/22 | 54.52 | 58 | 6th | 8th |
20/21 | 65.64 | 74 | 2nd | 4th |
19/20 | 70.99 | 66 | 3rd | 4th |
18/19 | 61.86 | 66 | 6th | 4th |
17/18 | 62.33 | 80 | 2nd | 6th |
16/17 | 70.89 | 69 | 6th | 4th |
15/16 | 56.44 | 66 | 5th | 8th |
14/15 | 63.03 | 70 | 4th | 4th |
No, it’s just a nonsense cliche. The only reason managers are ever replaced is because the club thinks someone else will do better. And the most common reason a club reaches that point is because their current manager failing.
So no, I don’t have to articulate a reason beyond “might do better”, because I’m not the one making that decision, the club is. And if they decide to replace Ten Hag with someone new you can only assume they have done their due diligence in picking someone they think will do better. And even they don’t have to articulate reasons they think someone else will do better, although you might get a press release with some vague platitudes about the new guy.
The "I am not Harry Potter" comment is so stupid. He might as well have said "the task is too big for me to believe myself that I am able to solve it".
The thing that makes me pause before criticising Ten Haag is I think he's better than any of Ferguson's other successors. Having finally appointed someone half decent I want to give them a good chance. I'm old enough to remember Ferguson's early years and there are some similarities, I'd argue. He also spent big on players who flopped and performances were flaky for a long time.
I think winning the league is extremely hard in this era, and we don't even qualify for the CL half the time and when we do we humiliated in the group stages for the most part.
Tellingly though, the one things that's stayed constant throughout the last decade is that the underlying stats have never rated us as a team. Even in seasons we've finished in the top 4 or second the underlying stats have suggested we're not as good as the table says. That to me, gives away the quality of the managers we've had at the club.
Season xPts (Expected Points) Actual Points Table Position xPts Position 23/24 44.24 60 8th 15th 22/23 66.4 75 3rd 5th 21/22 54.52 58 6th 8th 20/21 65.64 74 2nd 4th 19/20 70.99 66 3rd 4th 18/19 61.86 66 6th 4th 17/18 62.33 80 2nd 6th 16/17 70.89 69 6th 4th 15/16 56.44 66 5th 8th 14/15 63.03 70 4th 4th
You think we play proactive football? That's cute.
You need very competent footballers to play such tight, boxed in football and a midfield multiple levels more skilled than what we have as a collective, yet we haven’t invested a single penny in skilled midfielders.The 6 is left too isolated. He need to be helped more by the 8 and the CBs
What I heard a lot last season was that we can't just keep changing managers and starting again, or fergie needed timeDo those who still believe in him actually believe in him, or are they doing it because they think believing in him is what they should be doing?
The reporter didn't go far enough for me.
When Ten Hag started reeling off the two trophies, the reporter should have come back with Palace 4-0, Liverpool 7 etc
Bad results happen to Ten Hag a hell of a lot though, don’t they? Your ability to stomach and accept this level of football isn’t all that admirable. Surely we all have a breaking point, when will yours be?That is actually one of the most pathetic posts I've read on this forum and that's quite a feat.
Liverpool 7 will be remembered for a long time yes, but bad results happen to everyone. Awful to happen against the most hated rival.
Trophies are the name of the game
This is the difference, the board are not backing a manager, they are identifying what needs to happen with the squad and making changes as evidenced by the McT/Ugarte sagas
It is not sacking ETH after 3 games, it is sacking him after over a season of poor performances, the cup win saved his job and bought him another chance, but there is no change, little improvement
I would love to see us make a change now before the internationals, but I don't think it will happen, I do however think that he has probably 3 games at most to turn it around
Who for instance ?That is how I see the plan
EtH has been good bringing youngsters through and coaching some players to be better. That's his job. That's why he's surrounded by other coach/manager material
Get the squad fixed and then bring in a top coach
In short, he's sacrificial
Bad results happen to Ten Hag a hell of a lot though, don’t they? Your ability to stomach and accept this level of football isn’t all that admirable. Surely we all have a breaking point, when will yours be?
That is how I see the plan
EtH has been good bringing youngsters through and coaching some players to be better. That's his job. That's why he's surrounded by other coach/manager material
Get the squad fixed and then bring in a top coach
In short, he's sacrificial
You don't invest 3 years and over £600m of resource to be a cup team. Who cares about a Carabao and FA Cup when we playing boring, ineffective football and regularly get piped off our rivals and teams who aren't as good as ours in our own domestic league?That is actually one of the most pathetic posts I've read on this forum and that's quite a feat.
Liverpool 7 will be remembered for a long time yes, but bad results happen to everyone. Awful to happen against the most hated rival.
Trophies are the name of the game
You need very competent footballers to play such tight, boxed in football and a midfield multiple levels more skilled than what we have as a collective, yet we haven’t invested a single penny in skilled midfielders.
Ironic also that a manager that doesn’t respect midfield needs even more skilled midfielders to play his football than ones that do.
Who is he?Wow. I can't remember when journos openly attacked and went in debate with our manager like this. Never seen something like this.
Finally journos with balls.
Should ban the journalist
He hasn't earned the right of a pass until Christmas. He was given a get out of jail free card for an entire season of rubbish football at the end of last season and had to make an immediate impact this season if he was to repay the trust that was (erroneously) shown in him.He has until Christmas.
That's enough time for the new signings to bed in and his striker to come back from injury.
If we can't play proactive football successfully by that point, it's done.
The target this season is top 4 and cup runs, because let's face it the attacking side work, for Hojlund, Garnacho and Amad, Zirkzee maybe as well, it's time they need. Senior pros are letting us down and it's going to take time for the new owners to rectify regardless of who's in charge
Piss take or serious?He needs to be given more time to instil his football philosophy and the board need more time to shift all the deadwood. He also needs more good players, specifically:
- One LB because Shaw and Malacia are always injured and Dalot is not a LB.
- One CB to replace Maguire and Lindelof who are on their way out.
- Two CMs, a defensive one to replace Casemiro and a more all-rounder to replace Eriksen, since they are both cooked.
- Two wingers to replace Rashford and Antony who's are also done
Use the season purely to bed the new/young players we got in. Then make 6 transfers, corresponding to the above positions between now and next August (incl. January window). Use the preseason without international football to get all the players (including new arrivals) singing from the same hymn sheet. Make a proper go of it next season. He needs more time.
I think winning the league is extremely hard in this era, and we don't even qualify for the CL half the time and when we do we humiliated in the group stages for the most part.
Tellingly though, the one things that's stayed constant throughout the last decade is that the underlying stats have never rated us as a team. Even in seasons we've finished in the top 4 or second the underlying stats have suggested we're not as good as the table says. That to me, gives away the quality of the managers we've had at the club.
Season xPts (Expected Points) Actual Points Table Position xPts Position 23/24 44.24 60 8th 15th 22/23 66.4 75 3rd 5th 21/22 54.52 58 6th 8th 20/21 65.64 74 2nd 4th 19/20 70.99 66 3rd 4th 18/19 61.86 66 6th 4th 17/18 62.33 80 2nd 6th 16/17 70.89 69 6th 4th 15/16 56.44 66 5th 8th 14/15 63.03 70 4th 4th