I'm aware, but most of those who switched their votes aren't the loudest voices in this thread
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Votes can now be changed
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I have not concluded this. There's a flaw with your insinuation of confirmation bias and conclusions when you've not bothered to read the analysis and parameters prior.
There's a lot of people talking about the poll. Why does it bother you so much?
That's a very naive
A- considering that ETH had just 1 year left in his contract then keeping him meant having to activate his one year contract. Surely the club couldn't afford having the manager focused on finding his next job. That meant that getting rid of him meant spending 17m
B- top managers tend not to leave their his club mid through the season. Even the likes of Tuchel (free transfer) would only consider the job but only on his terms.
Last season it was a train wreck. We had drama on an almost weekly basis, injuries kept piling in (and the rumors were that it was down to ETH's training regime) and football was painful to watch. We ended 8th with a negative goal difference. Yet all was forgiven and the manager was given 200m to spend + new coaches (which...surprise surprise, he brought half of the Eredivisie/Ajax) with him based on.....1 game.
Yes they are tweaked, not revolutionized tactics, players and coaches are used to tactical tweaks several times during the same season depending on context. I'm genuinely baffled, it's as if you are ignoring how Football, coaching and playing it has worked for nearly a century. 4 new players is nothing and tactical tweaks that are implemented during preseason don't require months to be applied in games, tactical tweaks that are introduced during the season don't even require weeks to be implemented, managers routinely work on various tactical approaches all year long. ETH isn't experiencing anything different to 100% of other coaches in all leagues, he is just among the ones that are making a mess out of it for not apparent reason.
I'm not going to beat around the bush, the arguments that you give are terrible for ETH, they point to extreme incompetence and I genuinely hope that it's not the case.
I was only pointing out we were actually closer to the top 4 than we were the relegation places when Ole got sacked. After that Watford defeat I believe we were 8-9 points above the relegation zone.
its not just redcafe. Its the majority of fans. I had local mates who few days prior of the FA cup final were spitting on the floor whenever his name was mentioned (figuratively speaking) only to change tune mere days after the FA cup win
I'm aware the comment was tongue in cheek.
I don't disagree. I'm aware that a large portion of the fanbase is fickle and quickly changed their minds based on one game. My point was that your post seemed to be addressed at the people actively posting in this thread - most of whom have been fully entrenched, in one direction or the other, for a very long time now.
Fair enough. I have seen so many people commenting on it and the press twisting the truth that it started to annoy me.
I reckon people need to stop hanging on every tweet, the club isn’t leaking shit that much is obvious.
Wait for official announcements and until then it’s BAU.
Wait for official announcements and until then it’s BAU.
I mean that's your opinion but I disagree some bits. I don't think 8th was 'forgiven'. There was an expectation to enter 3rd with an immediate improvement which hasn't materialized yet and may not if we continue to keep him. I don't really have a problem with a view that he was worth a crack under a better structure, especially given the candidates available. Amorim or Xavi seemed interesting to me but it looks like neither was never really an option for whatever reason.
The players I named and the player needing to adopt a new role is certainly not nothing. And the new coaching staff is also not nothing.
I'm not really giving any argument for Ten Hag here. I'm just speaking generally that a team will need to gel to a new league and the squad will need to adapt to a new coaching staff. I dont think it should take as long as it has now given Ten Hag has been here for 2 years and a lot of the players have been here already. But I do think there's a teething in period for Dalot, De Ligt, Maz, Ugarte and Zirkzee irrespective of who the coach is.
I think he was 8points off top 4 and 7 points off a relegation place (Leeds being 17th).
Do you only talk about things that "bother you so much"? Why does it bother you so much that there's a lot of people talking about the poll?
I like the fact the press don't know zero about what's going on, they must hate knowing as little as we do.
They wouldn't care much. They can still invent these "next 2 games" stories and people would give them clicks.
I enjoy thinking they hate it, which helps a bit.
Dalot played the same role last season, the only difference is that ETH isn't switching his position with Mazraoui every other games like he did with AWB. Mazraoui isn't playing anything special, nor is De Ligt. In fact it should pointed that De Ligt and Mazraoui have the luxury of knowing each others, as footballer they grew up together in the same academy at the same time and then they played togehter at senior level, they are in a far better situation than if only one of them was integrated into the team. Ugarted is a non factor, he hasn't really played and there is no point good or bad to make regarding his influence on the team. And then we have Zirkzee who is the only decent argument when it comes to adaptation because he isn't playing in his favored role and has to learn something completely different.
And short term the coaching staff changes only make a big difference if the overall message is strikingly different but it isn't, ETH hasn't implemented a different tactic, it's the same tacticsw ith some tweaks implemented by different voices. And not surprisingly we have the similar results.
It doesn't. That's why I've not chronically moaned about it. I think I've done it twice ever, and no ones actually given a mature response.
On this forum?
From memory, by the time we got near the end of last season it was a decent majority that wanted him sacked, but the FA Cup win swung it to a very slim majority wanted him kept (I seem to remember a 51/49 split). Maybe I'm misremembering it, but I could swear that was the case.
Outside this forum it did seem like a large majority though.
If you weren’t a victim of confirmation bias, you would look at the full picture and take all data, compile it, then draw a conclusion. Most of us here have done that. Taking 2 or 3 data points out of 25 data points that support a your narrative while ignoring the other 23 is classic confirmation bias. Your analysis around the two or three points might be solid, but the very fact that you’ve ignored the rest is your downfall.
Example: Anchorage, Alaska had its coldest winter in 25 years in 2024, therefore we can conclude that climate change does not exist.
I know what confirmation bias is. I indirectly asked how you can accuse me of confirmation bias when you didn't even know what my conclusion was.
Also you assumed my conclusion was that Eric Ten Hag was a good manager, and then missed out what, 75% of his career as a manager when making your own point. Is that not confirmation bias?
Anyway you accused me of a conclusion I never made and assumed a bias. I dont even know what to call that. It's just weird targeting.
Don't believe it. It's clear now that Ineos aren't talking to anyone about this subject, so they're all guessing. I think it's safe to say that he won't be sacked at all this season now, otherwise they'd have done it already. If he doesn't get 8th place or above he'll probably go in the summer. Even then I wouldn't bank on it though as they seem to be liking what they're seeing so far, enough to want to keep him.
And I expect there'll be many more goals that save shit performances, and moments from our better players that will nick us points. So I just can't see it ever being so bad that he gets sacked.
Yeah im sick of this rubbish. I think the Porto Villa two games beeing important was also something the media just made up.
We’ve all seen your posts mate. We know where you stand. It’s fine. Just wanted to point it out to you and make you aware of what you are doing.
Patrolling people's posts and/or flippant remarks regarding a poll - in a thread with a poll - is hardly a masterclass in maturity. Especially with the framing you did.
It is a thread with a poll, people will comment on it. Moving on.
Why keep saying this kind of thing? I assume to stir things up.
Really pointless comments.
You haven't made me aware of anything outside of you making up conclusions and falling into a bias you accused me of.
Hitler Dead! Titanic Sunk!
I didn't know a post to ask why someone is bothered by a poll slightly changing was patrolling. Answering with "why are you bothered that I'm bothered" isnt the benchmark of maturity either.
You appear somewhat sensitive to a small question, let's leave it.
Honestly at this point can't see what it'll take to make them sack him
A freaking relegation battle?
A freaking relegation battle?
To be fair there’s very little maturity on show in this thread currently. Both sides of the coin.
Without looking on Google images, does Ten Hag have a beard, a goatee or is he cleanly shaved?
fecking brilliant post. Should be pinned or bookmarked.
Also 100% agreed that all the dinosaur managers like Warnock, Big Sam and Mick McCarthy would have us more coherent than Ten Hag.
Ah, I see. Chasing our own tails here. Obfuscate, misdirect and voila, you can claim victory. You’re “Back” you’ve been posting excuses for Ten Hag for over a year now. I probably shouldn’t have opened up this can of worms.
If you can’t see the obvious confirmation bias, you never will.
Have a good day mate.
You literally just said it
They really are the ultimate gaslightersThis is the new approach you seem to have. Label anyone who's rightfully pissed off with the manager situation into someone acting hysterical.
I am genuinely confused. You say misdirected when you've made up a conclusion I never stated, and then you accused me of confirmation bias when you were guilty of it in your own analysis.
Let's just call it a day, I agree.
Let’s be clear, there’s plenty of people unhappy who aren’t hysterical and there’s plenty of people unhappy who are being absolutely hysterical.
Hasn't this literally been the case every two games since Liverpool? I doubt he's going anywhere unless we literally lose every game. A lose and a draw in the next two would probably be enough to keep his job safe. At this point, it seems like they are determined to give him the season.