For the love of god why do people still use Arteta as a reference! This isn't Ten Hags 2nd season, if it was you may have a point. But by Season 3 Arteta managed the following in his first 11 games (all comps)
8 wins, 1 loss in the PL, 23 scored, 10 conceded.
Arsenal also won both of their opening Europa League fixtures. Resulting in a combined 10 wins, 1 loss. The link between ETH and Arteta is gone. Not only that but even Artetas past form they were still able to score a decent amount of goals, they just conceded a bucket load as well. Arteta managed to fix that in Season 3. Arteta was also always capable of beating better teams, they just never had consistency. ETH has failed over and over again that he cannot beat better teams, he struggles to even draw against them. Just please, please stop.
So because arteta had good start in his 3rd it's okay, despite dropping off later in the season. And even though ETH has had a poor start but has 31 games to recover its too late?
In his first year ETH beat Liverpool Arsenal Spurs and City. Then beat City and Liverpool to win the fa cup, so not sure where you are getting we are not capable of beating bigger teams from. We are the very definition of being able to beat any team but lacking consistency.
And to be explicitly clear, the point isn't that because one manager came good after a period of time it means another will. The point is that both took over mishmash squads with huge magnitudes of problems, both on and off the field, which needed to be rectified. That takes time.
There is no guarantee that with enough time ETH will be successful, but without time any manager almost certainly not succeed.
The newbie ETH support club are quite obviously opposition fab trolls. It's why I suggested this thread should be locked for newbies.
Just because someone doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean they are a troll. Maybe it's just as simple as that - they don't agree with you.
Here is a graph I made a few days ago, of "points per game" averaged over 10 games, for Manchester United since Ten Hag took over, and Arsenal since Arteta took over:
There are moments of better and worse form, but over time, a direction emerges.
Thanks for sharing this, really interesting . No that doesn't reflect well, fair enough. It hasn't been good enough.
Now is the first time I feel like we have balanced squad. I'd like to give that one season, or more than 7 games at least, to see what they can do.
If they don't sack him it will be because they don't have a viable option to replace him with. Sure they could have Ruud takeover as caretaker for the rest of the year, but would that guarantee better results ? The rest of the top managers are mostly employed right now, so what would be the point. This sort of logic must surely be on the minds of SJR and the rest of the executive team.
It's a mystery!
Eth will write a book in 20yrs and give us his insights.
It's possible there is no big mystery or ulterior motive, maybe they just don't agree with your outlook.
Arteta was a 37 year old rookie head coach who took over an Arsenal team that hadn't won a PL or European trophy since 2004.
While I respect the job that Arteta has done there, it will be 5 full seasons without winning the league if they don't get over the line this season.
It's literally been linear progression. Or as close to it as you can get.
19/20: 56points (33 points earned by Arteta)
20/21: 61 points
21/22: 69 points
22/23: 84 points
23/24: 89 points
19/20: +8 GD
20/21: +16 GD
21/22: +13 GD
22/23: +45 GD
23/24: +62 GD
19/20: 7 clean sheets
20/21: 12 clean sheets
21/22: 13 clean sheets
22/23: 14 clean sheets
23/24: 18 clean sheets
ten Hag turns 55 early next year. He's not a young head coach like Arteta, Iraola, McKenna and Hürzeler.
Arteta has spent/been given approximately €790 million worth of signings across 10 transfers windows. ten Hag has already spent/been given roughly €660 million across 5 transfer windows.
Their age is irrelevant, managers develop and peak differently.
I agree about the money. What we've spent under ETH for what we've got is not good enough. However with transfers out of his hands now it is redundant. Those decisions are not the managers now and won't be moving forward.
I agree that arteta has to get over the line. The comparison comes from (as written above) the situations they came into and how much overhaul was required. That was never going to be quick or easy. Not mention compounded by unprecedented injuries last year. The biggest change from those numbers is between years 3 and 4. Did arteta do anything differently, or is it a culmination of a settled and cohesive squad, with the young players developing being able to execute better.
If you are going to judge a manager over a season, then give him the season.
I keep harping on about it but the profile of the squad is so young. Hojlund Garnacho Diallo as front three have an average age of 21. They are going to be inconsistent and that is going to reflect in our performances and results. That is saka/martinelli of 2 years ago.
We are still playing without a leftback with Shaw/malicia to come back. Deligt Mazzroui and Ugarte are still settling in yet Onana has 4 (the most) clean sheets. There are positives there.
