Good post.
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I think there were plenty here in his first season who could see serious problems.
I remember around April. Only 3 points better than the horror season before, with a worse goal difference.
A good number of posters pointing out this isn't the huge improvement some wanted to see.
But the reaction was "agenda" or "wum"
Some posters were genuinely only seeing what they wanted to rather than what was actually happening.
The irony here is that’s exactly what this bunch of panicking flappers on the Caf would do.
Tbf, van Basten should never be taken seriously.
Yep it's funny how eventually everyone catches up to some of us but we have to put up with abuse first.
We're all royally pissed, but yes maybe the fans who have been royally pissed off for over a year or longer are in an even worse state at this point. My honest opinion is there is absolutely nothing rational about this situation. Any ownership that comes into a club like United and even glances at the statistics, performances and results which led to us finishing 8th, and bottom of our CL group would not require wherever review/assessment they carried out. To then be pressured by fans after winning a domestic cup, against a side we are massive underdogs against, and would have won four out of five times had the final been played again, is just beyond incompetent. This is before the fact that we've undergone multiple embarrassments this season and he's still surviving on.
You aren't nearly as informed or qualified as they are to make that conclusion to be fair.
The signing and constant playing of Wout Weghorst was the first horrific sign. Barely played a good game since February 2023.
Give it to @horsechoker until the end of the season. Training sessions would be amazing.
"You want us to do what with it's neck?!"
But its important for owners to find the root cause of the problems. It's easy for us to say it's always going to be the manager. We might be right in many of these scenarios, but if you have well respected people with a lot more information to hand choosing for a different view, maybe they are evaluating the root cause to be elsewhere.
Yes but you can say the same thing about most fans compared to Woodward, Murtough & Arnold. Were they not informed and qualified? This argument doesn't make sense unfortunately.
Yeah we’ve never had such a prolonged period of shit. Near enough every game since March 2023 has been awful. Thousands of minutes of shit on a stick.
We played three finals (if you count the Shield) against Cheaty and were better in all of them.
What do we think will make the fans at OT properly turn?
They've been loyal, almost too loyal, so far but is there going to be a result that truly lights the touch paper?
They've been loyal, almost too loyal, so far but is there going to be a result that truly lights the touch paper?
No you can't. Murtough, Woodward and Arnold are not remotely as qualified as Wilcox, Ashworth and Berada. These guys have big pedigree and a strong CV in their respective roles and are well respected in the industry.
When players look like they aren't making any effort and have hands on hips, the match going fans start to turn quite quickly.
Sounds a dig at INEOS more than anything else - unless we are assuming Ten Hag hand picked all the signings this window
Yes but my point is that most fans aren't as informed or qualified as the people I mentioned were and yet anyone could tell they were terrible. So far, INEOS haven't really shown us enough for our unconditional trust. On the contrary, there have been more worrying signs than positive.
Which is truly bizarre, considering how consistently pathetic we are on the pitch. Maybe it's like the performance raising Liverpool did against SAF's United.
I see what you mean, but it's one thing pointing to incompetence when the CEO can't even point to the Stretford End and its another when the decision makers are actually qualified in their roles.
Of course he did. Former players or dutch were signed this year. Again.
I still think he'll be sacked this week. I'm guessing they want to have their new man in place first and announce the new guy at the same time
Who is easier to bash and play hindsight with now than ETH? It's a free for all for any former player / pundit across the globe! It's all just noise to me now. He will be gone soon.
I don't think you've put much thought into your analysis there.
Marco forget about City, Madrid etc.
That isn't who we're struggling to keep pace with right now. I mean we are but let's catch up to Villa and Spurs first.
Ten Hag staying was announced by Ornstein at 10:10PM.
Just saying…
Just saying…
Is the point incorrect?
Watch this space when we are sitting there next Summer, all happy with 9th place finish that Erik has led us to on top of getting to League Cup final and only narrowly losing to Liverpool, reviewing Brobbey, Neres and Tagliafico signings.
Where would that be? Do other big clubs evaluate everything else but the manger in charge of how the team go about approaching games of football before, and during games, or is there another elephant in the room they choose to evaluate instead. I personally can't see it, maybe we're just a unique club who does things differently...
Could simply be that INEOS are aware they haven’t brought him the right players and coaches and will need to have another two windows to address that. In the meantime we should not judge him. I think we will need to spend another £500m on players and replace coaches as well before we give that performance evaluation thing another go.
I think it's been leaked in part to Melissa Reddy as psychological problems being a factor.
Yes, it's weird to criticise Ten Hag for transfers this window unless he's spearheaded the recruitment.
Nothing tbh.
Tommy Tuchel is the answer you're welcome
I'm all for giving people time, especially new owners who need to evaluate things. But when you buy a business, walk through the front door, and see the manager shitting into his hands and smearing it on the meeting room flipcharts every hour, on the hour... Well, you shouldn't just shrug your shoulders six months later if he's still doing it.
And he can talk it up as much as he wants, tell you it's a process. That's great but I really don't want any process that involves shit, thanks.
And he can talk it up as much as he wants, tell you it's a process. That's great but I really don't want any process that involves shit, thanks.
Bizarre , inexplicable, frustrating, bonkers.
You're not wrong. I've hope for Ruud McNistelrooy though, Scots are much better.