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Fallon d'Floor said:
Most of our legends and ex players are dumb as shit. It's actually amazing that Fergie was as successful as he was.

Neville, Rio and Evra are probably the worst of the lot.
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I think Neville does so much damage to Man United with his punditry. He's quite happy to watch the club fail miserably and then chirp in with "back the manager" type soundbites so he can claim the moral highground.

If Ten Hag was at Salford he'd have been sacked years ago.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Who is defending the manager?

Last season there were very real issues as to why the team weren’t performing. A lot of those issues are no longer there this season, and I haven’t seen anyone arguing vehemently in favour of ten Hag (although this topic bores me so I don’t pay much attention to the squabbling.)
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There weren't, which was proven this season. You just didn't want to be wrong. I read all of your takes with disdain last season. The three of you. I only joined this forum to join the counter movement. At least most have woken up now. Finally.

I would agree that it's a boring topic now. INEOS probably aren't going to act. I'll probably dip out again for a few weeks. It's a waste of everyone's time.
 
Fallon d'Floor said:
Thee three musketeers, VP89, BenitoSTARR and yourself, are very quiet compared to last season.

I don't give a feck, thanks.

What's tragic is people who continue to defend this manager. Luckily for you, INEOS don't seem to have the stones required. Could be a good week for you.
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It's funny because they always go through the same routine, in moments like this where it's hard to argue the sacking they question alternatives and blame players. Then we'll pick up a point or three and you see them immediately start to be brave enough to defend him again.
 
Cloud7 said:
I feel like I’m in some alternate timeline where a draw with Porto in the Europa league and a draw with Aston Villa that leaves us in 14th are somehow deemed to be good results?
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Adz_99 said:
I don't get why people like Neville keep trotting this out. It was a bit different with Ole because he is a club legend but I think the vast majority of fans couldn't give a flying feck what happens to Ten Hag as long as he's not here in 2 weeks.
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Because the cretins at the club and their stooges in the media - Neville, Laurie Whitwell and co - are all colluding along with the fans, whether they realise it or not, to re-redefine what success looks like.

The Glazers and Woodward got away with redefining a successful season as finishing top four and having some good CL performances in the post-Moyes era. Now Ineos are redefining it again as a decent cup run + top half league finish.
 
I agree with people who say our standards have had expectation rot for a long time. The PL is more competitive across the board than La Liga yes, but look at Real and Barça when they re in freaking second. People are calling for heads.
 
I would have him sacked tomorrow or the day after. With the international break, it’s a good time to do it.

But I get the feeling that the club are going to avoid making that call and hang on to him. You usually hear noises that the sack is coming and I don’t hear them in the media right now.
 
Smores said:
It's funny because they always go through the same routine, in moments like this where it's hard to argue the sacking they question alternatives and blame players. Then we'll pick up a point or three and you see them immediately start to be brave enough to defend him again.
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They'll be back again if he picks up a few results after the international break.
 
So not getting sacked. Absolutely fecking ridiculous.

Clearly the club don't care about results or success at all. Time to stop pretending they do
 
Adz_99 said:
I think Neville does so much damage to Man United with his punditry. He's quite happy to watch the club fail miserably and then chirp in with "back the manager" type soundbites so he can claim the moral highground.

If Ten Hag was at Salford he'd have been sacked years ago.
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Neville is a hypocrite, yes.

Carragher has better takes on United than him, bizarrely.
 
He's a coward, admitting that Maguire and Evans are his best chance of getting a result is embarrassing for him.

He can't get away with hiding behind a default setting he seems to have when he needs to get a result, and then revert to the clueless football clearly wants to play when the pressure is off.

I'd say it's odds on that he'll go this week, but the guy seems to have got past the point most managers would have been sacked so many times already that I would still be a shock if it actually happened.
 
NZT-One said:
Di Maria, Falcao, Ibrahimovic, Pogba, Ronaldo, Sancho, Varane, Casemiro? If that aren't big names, then I don't know how you define that term?!
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You made my point. You named 8 players that have been signed across 8 years. I kind of knew that it was where you were going to go and that's the fallacy, those players where signed alongside a plethora of players that weren't big names and especially around young players. Did the club sign big name players when the opportunity arised? Yes, but the strategy has never been to build a squad of big names and we never had a squad full of big names.

And by inflexible, I meant inflexible, the character trait. Which can show itself in different situations.
 
If i was performing half as shit as he has in my job role, i would have been allowed half as much time to turn things around as he has.

We're 14th. Let that sink in. Closer to the relegation zone than top 4.

After the worst campaign in modern times, we have the worst start to the season in modern times. We're actually getting worse.

If he stays on, i hope things do improve but what we're seeing should give us 0 confidence this could materialise. Twente and Porto made us look like fools.
 
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I really think EtH is just trying to call INEOS bluff now

With whole the "well we speak every day" "we made a relationship in the summer" "no one indicated different" "wait an see at the end of the season" "it will click one day"

The guy pretty knows the games up
 
Manchester United in crisis, manager gets two draws - “sense of relief. he keeps the wolves at bay”

I can’t believe what I’m reading. These were supposed to be the data driven football people.
 
Theo88 said:
If i was performing half as shit as he has in my job role, i would have been allowed have as much time to turn things around as he has.

We're 14th. Let that sink in. Closer to the relegation zone than top 4.

After the worst campaign in modern times, we have the worst start to the season in modern times. We're actually getting worse.

If he stays on, i hope things do improve but what we're seeing should give us 0 confidence this could materialise. Twente and Porto made us look like fools.
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I watched as many goals in the spurs game as we have scored in 7 league games ourselves.

Our form and play is appalling
 
Cloud7 said:
I feel like I’m in some alternate timeline where a draw with Porto in the Europa league and a draw with Aston Villa that leaves us in 14th are somehow deemed to be good results?
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Yep me too.

When he sealed the draw I just knew it meant he was definitely staying too. It’s like they can’t sack him unless it’s on a defeat at the right time

Yes in isolation a draw away to Villa is acceptable. But in the position we are in, it is an awful result. And he played for it from the start just to save himself, rather than going for a win that the team needed

It’s absolutely mental how he keeps managing to do the absolute bare minimum to keep his head above water
 
JPRouve said:
You made my point. You named 8 players that have been signed across 8 years. I kind of knew that it was where you were going to go and that's the fallacy, those players where signed alongside a plethora of players that weren't big names and especially around young players. Did the club sign big name players when the opportunity arised? Yes, but the strategy has never been to build a squad of big names and we never had a squad full of big names.
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But I never said that :lol: I called it an assembly of Big names and big hopes but without the necessary workrate and mentality. I think thats a fairly good description. But lets leave it at that.
 
ROFLUTION said:
He decides a new type of player for a new game all the time, and that rhythm really throws development of certain players out of the window.

One game Garnacho is on the bench, then he's on the right, then he's on the left.
One game Zirkzee is starting, then he shows signs of being good for our general play, then he's on the bench, circle starts over
One game Maino has a set role, then he is deployed in a more attacking role, then he's a central midfielder again who also needs to sit a bit back

It just goes on an on, and he makes substitutions because he's desperate to try anything. So when he subs 3 players at a time and throw in players of different types it resets the team. The rhythm of this is completely shit for any player really. Start - stop - start - stop.
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Don't forget that he kept playying Rashford when he was absolute shite and the moment he actually starts playing a little better he's on the bench the next game and then gets subbed in the next. He's fecking clueless.
 
Berbaclass said:
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fecking hell. We have won TWO games in seven, Neville of all people should know the sort of standards we require at the club.

It’s sickening that some pundits refuse to get off the fence when sacking a manager is part of the discussion.
 
It’s weird how some people like Neville view not sacking the manager as more of a win than winning games. Bloody mental actually.
 
Cloud7 said:
I feel like I’m in some alternate timeline where a draw with Porto in the Europa league and a draw with Aston Villa that leaves us in 14th are somehow deemed to be good results?
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And if you apply context, it's even worse.

We were 2-0 up (mainly thanks to Diogo Costa) and went in 2-2 at HT before actually falling behind. Clawed a late goal back. That's 2 points dropped from a commanding position. Not a point gained.

Today's 0-0 was a dire affair between both teams. There's little difference between 7 points and 8 points.

He needed to take 4 points from these two games to warrant any positive spin on things. He didn't. And probably won't be sacked either.
 
If it's true that there's any sort of meeting tonight, tomorrow or Tuesday to discuss this situation, then I'll say he's 100% gone. Because they've been here before, reviewed his position after a terrible season and decided to stick. Could you imagine how utterly clueless they'll look if, a few months later, they review yet another terrible start and decide to stick again. It's almost funny to think how inept they would look.

As for his demeanor and comments after the game, it just boils my piss listening to the guy.

First of all, given he wants to pretend everything is fine and INEOS are in agreement, he's making them look fecking stupid by association. Surely they're not on the same level of delusion as he makes out?

The way he parked the bus today in self preservation mode, putting his needs above the team and the fans, is utterly ridiculous. He does this every time there's a hint of him being in trouble, it's no coincidence. And then if we pull it off he's grinning like he thinks it's good enough and everyone will be happy. It's even worse when you have idiots saying "it'll buy him more time", adding to the ridiculous notion that one result (if you can even call it that) is good enough.

If he's still here by midweek then it's time to lock this thread, because it is what it is, he's a below average PL coach and there's nothing left to discuss. And following that, the Ineos thread needs to be where the anger is aimed because, at this stage, it's all on them. Ten Hag is pretty useless, but they're the ones keeping him about.

The results are in now, the evidence is there for all to see. We will absolutely never do anything of note under him. We'd need about 10+ better coaches coaches to leave the league and 7 clubs who perform better than us to absolutely capitulate, whilst we spend another £600m, for us to ever win a league with him.
 
NZT-One said:
But I never said that :lol: I called it an assembly of Big names and big hopes but without the necessary workrate and mentality. I think thats a fairly good description. But lets leave it at that.
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An assembly of big names means that the team is by design largely built around big names otherwise you said nothing. A team that has at the most 2 or 3 big names isn't an assembly of big names, if you have 10 or 15 then it makes sense. Here you listed 8 players across 8 years and the majority didn't even play together, we never built an assembly of big names.

And it's also dubious to consider the signing of two young talents like Sancho and Pogba as big name signings. Those are normal signings of the best prospects by a big club.
 
Woodzy said:
fecking hell. We have won TWO games in seven, Neville of all people should know the sort of standards we require at the club.

It’s sickening that some pundits refuse to get off the fence when sacking a manager is part of the discussion.
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Neville seems to have some bizarre logic. It seems to stem from his own experience at Valencia. Yet he doesn't let that stop him and his mates from sacking multiple Salford managers when they're not in the hunt for promotion. They really want to get to The Championship.
 
NZT-One said:
But I never said that :lol: I called it an assembly of Big names and big hopes but without the necessary workrate and mentality. I think thats a fairly good description. But lets leave it at that.
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This makes no sense
 
NZT-One said:
Without a contingency plan, I hope that doesn't happen. Not because ETH isn't deserving it but because I don't see anything to be gained in pissing away 18 million in fees and the decision makers losing face for rectifying a mistake done only 2 month ago. When the right candidate is available, of course, go for it and get it over with. But when that candidate isn't available then there is no point in switching just for the sake of it. Especially taking into consideration how badly the last interim scenarios went for the club - both for different reasons of course.
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Problem is, this season is heading into disaster territory under this coach. It's almost neglectful to allow him to continue.

I'm at the stage where I hope the Glazers step in and tell Ineos to get rid of this fecker.
 
Why are people reacting to Neville as if he works for the club or is anyway involved in the decision to stick or twist?
 
Hate to bring this up, but would have the Qataris been so seemingly relaxed with this mediocrity and dramatic fall in standards?
 
dwd said:
It’s weird how some people like Neville view not sacking the manager as more of a win than winning games. Bloody mental actually.
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To be fair, Neville has been a clown for over 11 years while talking about United managers. If we decided to do the exact opposite of what Neville said during these years, it would have been an actually well run club. It is very hard for someone to be always wrong, but Neville’s record in TV speaks for itself.
 
siw2007 said:
I would have him sacked tomorrow or the day after. With the international break, it’s a good time to do it.

But I get the feeling that the club are going to avoid making that call and hang on to him. You usually hear noises that the sack is coming and I don’t hear them in the media right now.
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We probably can't afford to do it. In which case we're fecked.
 
ClassOf'99 said:
We are 14th in the league after 7 games, on 8 points, with a -3 GD, i think there is only 1 side doing the exaggerating...

Anyone happy with a mid table United shouldn't belong here, the standard of fans these days is a joke, I remember many wanted Fergie sacked for performing poorly but defending this current side is beyond belief
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We have posters saying we are in a relegation fight whilst also 6 points off a CL spot. Yeah, I think it's clear which side is exaggerating.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Why are people reacting to Neville as if he works for the club or is anyway involved in the decision to stick or twist?
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The only worry is that he knows Ashworth quite well and is one of Sky's most high profile pundits. This could essentially be an INEOS brief. But hopefully it's just an opinion piece. The no United fan wants to see the manager sacked part is tone deaf.
 
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