Feck sake this thread is akin to the magic roundabout, take you pick which one, the one with Dougal and co or the one in Colchester, the choice is yours but you do go round and round in circles no matter which one you pick.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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It was promising when Ineos came in, but unfortunately it continues to be ridiculous. It’s been a week since the FA Cup final and Ineos keeps the players, shareholders, media, fans guess about EtH future.
Disrespectful and amateur on so many levels.
Arteta has spent £600m, Pep over £1BN, Chelsea last few years close to £1BN, Liverpool have spent big as well.
Spending £400m is all well and good but everyone else is spending just as much How much ETH has spent is in line with others, it isn't giving him the advantage.
I'm sure they are involved but it has to be a lot harder when they probably can't talk to people outside the club.
If Ashworth is supposed to be involved heavily in talks with candidates for the role, for instance, but can't actually talk to them, then it requires us to get around that and might take more time.
When does ETH return from holiday?
There's a small part of me that's curious to see if they'll actually keep him, give him what he wants and become the biggest joke in town
Always have isn't true, it took you several posts to get there. Even in the post you quote you claimed I need to "be serious".
Both of these were previous posts from you disputing their existence:
But still, you got there, and I don't have you down as one of the irrational nutters in the ETH-out camp.
It's important for the more reasonable posters to oppose the silly ones, even when they're arguing for the same outcome, because otherwise this thread devolves into the tedious hyperbole filled cesspool we've seen throughout this season.
Problem is we finished 5-7 places behind those 3. And even behind Chelsea who've been a mess for 2 years.
So another week of our transfer targets still not knowing who is going to be manager next season
It’s utterly farcical now.
Well you can't say that unless you've searched my entire post history though mate.
You are quoting posts where I'm obviously speaking generally about the majority (of fans who want to change manager). I've always accepted there are extremists on every topic and have said as much in the past. You generally don't need to say it as everyone knows this, and you don't need to frame your opinion based on a small minority of any group.
There are nutters who seem to dislike the manager more than they love the club, just as there's head bangers out there who support the manager more than the actual club. People get caught up in these things ane their opinion becomes more and more extreme, also as you previously said people who are desperate to be right so they can gloat.
Thanks mate
There's a reason Ancelotti won the UCL with Madrid but not Everton. The coach is only a small cog. You're right we need to fix so many things, including nailing down our style. But fast attacking is meaningless because all attacking has to be fast. The big question is can we high press without leaking goals. ETH knows that is the challenge and it remains the challenge whoever is chief coach. We won at Wembley because we did not high press so it's an irrelevance to the decision to keep or sack.
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Man, who gives a shit? They fell at the first hurdle once they got out of the group. It'd literally be more impressive if he squeezed through the group but then made it to the quarters.
Someone who has shit tactics can limp his way to a quarter finals. But won’t win all 6 CL group games.
Surely the club have to make a stay/go commitment immediately to prevent our summer transfer situation to not get derailed by who next year's manager will be.
That's not what was implied. The other poster stated that the players did what the manager asked and that they otherwise don't. The implication is that the players, on purpose, do not follow the manager's instructions.
It's May and there is an international tournament coming up. It is likely that signings are not going to even be done until after then anyway.
You are definitely a WUM
I've been thinking this fo a week now. It must be hindering our transfer plans as players want to know who they'll be playing for
It's a joke if Ineos haven't made a decision yet. They were supposed to be decisive and proactive.
I can never quite understand this mentality from fans that, when one of our managers complains about how the club is run, it's just 'excuses galore'. I mean you can say that the manager wasn't good enough AND his criticisms were valid too. Every single manager except for Ole has expressed dismay about how the club has been run. Even if you don't like them personally, it's very hard for me at least to look at someone like LvG and think he's anything other than a very honest and very direct guy. Maybe they're not making excuses?
Moyes- the scouting system here is awful, I was shocked
Fans: he's just bitter and a crappy Everton manager
LVG: I get players that were seventh choice, and a club that's more interested in sponsorship deals than football
Fans: he's just bitter and plays boring football
Jose: people have no idea what's going on behind the scenes at this club, 2nd place my best achievement
Fans: he's just bitter and a has-been
Ralf: Scouting system here is bad, club needs open heart surgery
Fans: He's just bitter-what does he know
EtH: i don't set the prices, the club missed out on good players
Fans: He's just bitter- excuses galore
I really hope the whole INEOS takeover makes the next managers job a lot easier, because regardless of the ability of those managers (i don't think they were good enough) it sounds like it's been a nightmare for them. Us and Chelsea must be two of the worst big clubs in the world to manage.
Just waiting for the tweet reporting the Glazers are getting frustrated how long Ineos are taking.
What if they have and we don't know it. After all, keeping Ten Hag wouldn't require the club to make any statement at all.
they don't have to say anything, true. But staying quiet if they want to keep ten Hag certainly doesn't help with all the rumours, and so you'd expect them to communicate that they are backing him, no? I can't think of a single good reason to stay quiet if you plan to keep him ... all that creates is unnecessary rumours and noise.
He will continue to be hounded by the media for as long as the club continue to refuse to publicly back him. They do need to clarify their position.
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The phrase from the interviews with Sir Jim that stuck with me was “walk to the right solution rather than run to the wrong one”.
From that I infer that they will make their decision, they will make sure the logic is sound (in their own minds) and they won’t let external pressures influence them.
It was also clear that aligning to the playing style they have defined is critical. With Ten Hag going on holiday straight away after the FA Cup final, I wonder if the decision is pending a conversation with Ten Hag over this playing style and whether fundamentally he can deliver that and frankly wants to.
They could stay quiet for a few days but it wouldn't be long before we hear about other managers linked with us going elsewhere. It would seem they're still deciding or they're letting him go after giving some time after the FA Cup win. Either way any managers involved will want to know soon and accept other jobs. I'm expecting an announcement by Tuesday.
It should require them to make a statement either way. Who on earth lets one of their employees take stick from the media 24/7 without backing him. If they don’t back him and continue to treat him like dirt then he will walk and not many managers will wanna come here because of how they handle things.
Why is it so hard to believe? Ancelotti didn't do the double at Everton but he did at Madrid. Players and club structure are a far bigger determinant of success than head coach - though you obviously need a good one of those too.
This is dragging way too long. They had so long for Wilcox to evaluate ten Hag behind the scenes and make a decision. This decision shouldn't hinge on a single game.
If they keep ten Hag, it's also ridiculous letting him go into the new season with just a year left on his contract - that doesn't inspire much faith in the manager and I don't see how the players fully buy into his methods in that situation.
So if they do decide to keep him, they'll have to extend his contract to show their vote of confidence in him to turn it around.
If they keep ten Hag, it's also ridiculous letting him go into the new season with just a year left on his contract - that doesn't inspire much faith in the manager and I don't see how the players fully buy into his methods in that situation.
So if they do decide to keep him, they'll have to extend his contract to show their vote of confidence in him to turn it around.
Fair enough. Thanks.
My friend it's June.
Is he taking stick from the media ? He just won the FA Cup and is on holiday as far as I know.
If he's staying, I genuinely don't expect an announcement that says, 'ETH IS STAYING WE BACK HIM'. That would be rather odd and lend credence to rumours he was almost sacked. Best just to let him get on with it.
Is the media even giving him stick?
Is the media even giving him stick?
There's more variation to that example, the players Arsenal / Arteta have purchased have performed at a significantly better level then what they were at their previous clubs.
Transfers shouldn't be determined from value alone but also how well they are inaugurated into the team and that comes down to the system and coaching. That's where the separation is.
I’d be surprised if he’s not sacked tomorrow.
It’s a shambles.
It’s a shambles.
This idea that transfer activity stops during international tournaments is a Caf myth that refuses to die
Yeh the club obviously have to make it known publicly if they're backing the current manager or not given all the briefings and what's gone on in the press. It's baffling some people dont seem to understand that.
They still havent told ETH if he's keeping his job or not. Because as soon as they do his agents will brief the press that he's staying or being sacked.
I'd be surprised if he wasn't sacked next week. Then again I was surprised INEOS managed to buy into the club at all. So I clearly know less than I think I do.
Yeah this is dragging on a bit now. Surely we’ll hear something tomorrow.
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