The club just need to work hard at keeping every player fit and healthy first, having a stable first 11 will be more important than any new signings.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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The club just need to work hard at keeping every player fit and healthy first, having a stable first 11 will be more important than any new signings.
Why couldn't he?
His publicist.
We really fell off. Some years back United fans would have collectively cringed at this sort of stuff
flexing FA cups on a player that won titles and Champions League with United, and one that's currently still an employee of the club. All this for a random bald man from Holland that had us finish 8th with an overdraft in GD
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Agreed but that’s why we gave him the keys to the kingdom and like most managers who have been given that role post Fergie they fail to understand the magnitude of the task.
We allowed him to set the style which is why we gave him permission to buy his selection of players. Yet this summer our key areas remain the attack and midfield. I won’t blame him for the defence as he has been injury stuck and it was clear what buying Onana was intended for. However even then we failed to see the transition with Onana basically turning into a B-tec De Gea.
It was a good idea ETH but like when we appointed LVG, how they club was ran above prevented us reducing the risk of failure by helping this managers understand what is required to be successful in the EPL. I feel we should revert back to what identifies us as a club. Fast-attacking football built with an ethos that anything but first place is failure. That has to be embedded top down with a new culture in the dressing room.
If that means removing the current senior figures so be it. They will have the biggest influence on how the dress room behaves.
Who are "these guys"?
Jose made us play zombie football, the EL cup run was a slog.
He would not have finished as high as he did in the league with the current level of competition either.
He never faced this amount of injuries (Van Gaal did) did he?
The goal next season is to maybe, hopefully get top 4.
That's after 400M spent and in his third season.
Wild stuff
That's after 400M spent and in his third season.
Wild stuff
Can anyone remember how long the club waited to sack Van Gaal following his FA Cup triumph?
I think it was either very well briefed (even more so than now) or it was already done by this point.
Edit - Mourinho was already announced as our manager in May
Mourinho's camp leaked it on the evening of the match - so it was done pretty rapidly
He knew how much budget we had and how much was being asked for each of these signings. Bullshit
It was the Monday after the final officially from what I remember, so only a couple of days later. But the press leaks were out the evening of the cup final.
Yeah. I seem to remember it being quite quick. Surely this is an indication that ten Hag will be our manager next season. If not, the indecisiveness of INEOS, which I hoped they were bringing to the club, is something that would slightly annoy me.
18-19 is well above par, the rest are pretty much what you expect from a team like them or slightly deviating from it. I would t say he did below expectations.
Ahh ok. Cheers.
I think the news broke that evening and it happened officially on the Monday.
None of this fecking about. Just a simple you weren’t good enough, goodbye!
Bollocks man, Ajax has a small budget compared to most CL teams and has to overperform to get anywhere in Europe. When things align they can go far, but that happens infrequently.
Calling 21/22 underwhelming is nonsense: they won all six games and obliterated Dorrmund and Amorim’s Sporting.
Look where they are after Ten Hag left.
That’s where we are though as a team. With zero injuries it’s top 4 or thereabouts, with some injuries we have to aim lower.
It's all a bit contradictory isn't it. We beat City in one game and suddenly all the players and the manager are good again, yet when it comes to the league we're told the entire squad is shite and needs replacing, therefore we're foolish to expect any decent football or top 4. The goal posts have been in constant movement this season in an effort to excuse blatantly poor management.
Ajax do not have a small budget compared to most CL teams. They have a lower budget vs top teams from big leagues but comparable to all the mid-tier league teams like Porto, Benfica or lower tier teams from top leagues - it’s probably around the middle of all teams participating. Don’t forget there are many teams from weaker leagues that are operating at low budgets in CL as well.
I agree they were OK in Europe though. Not spectacular (save for 18-19) but acceptable.
It's the mirror...
United were paying 60 to 80m for players. 400m doesn't buy too many players these days. Hopefully the days of overpaying are in the past now.
No, the players are still these fecking players letting everyone down and throwing all managers under the bus, except the young ones who haven’t had enough time to learn that part of their trade yet (just wait though and they will also become these fecking players).
Manager is much better now though.
Yeah he was fine with club paying 95m euros for Antony even though he was his player and he knew him. Could've got 2 decent players for that money.
Name one of those smaller budget teams that won all of their six group games?
In or out, I wish we’d stop comparing every one of our managers to Ferguson.
I'm pretty sure he's staying. If he was getting the sack we'd have heard something by now.
Agree. He was unique and times have changed.
Five minutes after we collected the cup. We waited till he climbed back down the steps and was on terra firma.
It was announced by the club on the Monday night after the final.
Why would I need to do that?
I don’t think there are any, winning six group games hardly ever happens as teams usually tend to ease down after they have qualification secured. Spartak Moscow in 1996 seems to be the last comparable one.
I'll give it to ten Hag - of all the trophies we won since 2013, we never had as difficult route to it as this year in the Fa Cup. Obviously Coventry in semis was easy draw though we almost fecked that up, but beating Liverpool (think they were 1st at that time) and then City in the final as best team that was on 35 unbeaten run (Rodri on 75 or something) is impressive. In 2016, 2017 and 2023 we mostly had easy/not too difficult draws.
It’s the best cup win we have had since Fergie left, correct. All our previous ones came after easy runs (some ridiculously easy really).
The amount of times I've read 'he won us the cup' shows the mentality. They blame players for losses and Ten Hag apparently won us the cup. Nothing to do with the player who have shown time and time again they can play those tactics well. Ten hag won the FA Cup and the players finished 8th
I don't think I've ever read any manager have such direct wording over a team achievement.
Oh he's definitely gone then spouting this crap, at the minimum he's pissed because he thinks he might be sacked. Good chance he goes down the LvG route and talks shit about us once he's gone, excuses galore.
But that's underwhelming when you suggest that someone has a special ability.
No Ajax has a middle of the pack budget. Around 2020 they had the 22nd or 23rd in Europe keeping in mind that a number of teams above them weren't in the CL, the likes of Everton, West Ham, Schalke, Lyon, Roma, Milan and Arsenal. As strange as it may sound Ajax are on the wealthier side of Football, of course there are teams that are significantly wealthier but it's not true at all in the EL and generally a minority in the CL.
In general Ajax are a top 30 teams financially and between the CL and EL there is/was 64 teams in the group stages.
Even without the 18/19 season, this is far above par for us the last 20 years.. We had 10 points in the group stage in 19/20. Had 18 points in the 21/22 group stage..
If you compare this with the post ten hag years and go back pre ten hag 15 years, i think there are only 2 years which (top of my head) which are better or comparable to the above.
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