Well as I said to @glazed I think he's known for a while what's going to happen, if he didn't then I don't think he would have gone on the holiday so quickly.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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How .... is that possible?
He's the head coach, he sets the team up?
Unless I have missed some big revelation??
The way Ten Hag shook hands with Ratcliffe and the way he greeted the Glazers says it all.
I get a feeling that the 2 owners have contrasting opinions, but given Ratcliffe has the power for making footballing decisions, very likely he’ll not have a job here next season.
I feel he has built some chemistry with the squad, especially the younger players who have bought in to his style of play.
IMO give him another year, just because there’s a relationship that’s building here, not like we’re anyways competing next year for the league, we’ll get some much needed stability in the thought process.
I get a feeling that the 2 owners have contrasting opinions, but given Ratcliffe has the power for making footballing decisions, very likely he’ll not have a job here next season.
I feel he has built some chemistry with the squad, especially the younger players who have bought in to his style of play.
IMO give him another year, just because there’s a relationship that’s building here, not like we’re anyways competing next year for the league, we’ll get some much needed stability in the thought process.
If he lost yesterday what do you think the reaction would have been after a season culminating in 20 defeats? Pretty sure it would have been the sack.
so one match result does seem to make a difference for many people.
so sack or keep, I just hope the club look on it with a long term view. Is he the right man to lead us forward? If so, back him. If not, sack him
- FA Cup is great, but United isn't the first nor will it be the last poor team to win a cup competition
- Injuries are part and parcel of football. A manager at top level needs to be adaptable
- "He should not get blame for the injuries" is an argument against a position not taken. Though the sheer amount of injuries don't happen in a vacuum and players have reportedly voiced dissatisfaction with training methods, so he still holds some culpability here
- Our football has been awful since just prior to the league cup last year
- We've won +three games in a row this season before - winning the last three games is hardly a barometer for anything. We scrapped past Newcastle, and were largely outplayed by Brighton. Yesterday was a good win, but the underlying metrics were still poor, though to be fair, we were set-up to play in a specific manner that wouldn't translate well for said metrics
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would be next to impossible to go through an interview stage with 3 or 4 managers without that information coming out
so we'll find out if that is/was the case
anyway I don't even think they will change their minds
It's small things though. If Solskjaer won the Europa league final (a match we were the better team I'd argue) does he keep his job? I think yes.
So it’s just a case of the club leaking it. That means he would have already done an interview which can’t be possible since he had no idea if he was staying after the game yesterday.
The point is he only wanted to win the game, not further the long term high press project.
Because he'd already been fired.
Probably yes under the old structure
Now imagine he abandoned the tactics he'd been using all season months ago instead of waiting until the last 3 games. Where could we have ended up?
For some reason nowadays when I think about FA Cup winners the first club that comes to mind is Wigan in 2013 who were relegated. And the thought of Wigan comes with their owner defending the idea of calling chinese people "chinks".
And more importantly finally abandonded the chaos ball that hadn't been working all season.
What he said was he had no doubt if he was manager or not next season. Which would be true if he was already fired.
https://x.com/itvfootball/status/1794408470264807461
If it was a leak from our side it would've come from our sources, not Steinberg.
Redcafe or Twitter.
Which site would you say has a higher percentage of United fans?
Whatever is decision it'll be understandable.
I’d say Redcafe still shades it
Ok lets just settle for the facts then. Pochetinno has spent 7 seasons in the PL and won 0 trophies. ETH has spent 2 seasons in the PL and won 2 trophies. ETH has won 7 trophies in the last 6 years and at least 1 trophy a season for the last 4 seasons.
Pochetinno has won 2 major trophies in his entire managerial career. ETH has won 7.
Let’s just keep eth. I don’t get why it is so hard to understand that you can’t win anything when half of the team is not available. It’s like racing with a f1 car without one wheel and a disfunctional engine. Even a Red Bull would look shit.
eth is right when he tells the journos that they have no clue about football management. You have to have your best players available to challenge in the pl. There are too many good teams and money around. Let’s buy a top cd for varane a fit left back and a cm who can play with mainoo and we may have a first team that can compete
eth is right when he tells the journos that they have no clue about football management. You have to have your best players available to challenge in the pl. There are too many good teams and money around. Let’s buy a top cd for varane a fit left back and a cm who can play with mainoo and we may have a first team that can compete
Well that's because the Glazers are reactionary and made decisions based largely on how the fans were feeling. Ineos you would hope are making decisions based on data and developing a style of play.
Cause there's other teams around the league that were also hit with injuries and it didn't stop them from scoring goals, and maintaining a style of play. Do you really think SAF would have negative goal difference this season with the attack we've had available for the majority of it? Or get absolutely embarrassed on the road to bottom half sides?
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It’ll be an absolute fecking train wreck if we keep Ten Hag.
First Guard of Honour City have had to make in the past 7 or so years.
A lot of our performances and results would have been prevented/mitigated with a more compact/solid midfield set-up. In fact, "b-b-but we won the last three games" thing that people are comically pointing to as reason to keep him, he did just that.
That's the big one for me. He could have played this way months ago, before Christmas. I still don't think we'd have made top four but we would have been a lot closer.
As they should. Definitely the match going fans want him to stay but most of the fan channels and communities want him to stay. Will be a massive call if they decide to do it.
Also guaranteed if he stays we'll win the Europa League next year
I don't think we will. They're not going to make a decision on one game and I believe the leaks about us having told him weeks ago. Think they have him the final, which is more than he could expect really, and it was a great outcome for all parties. But I agree, if they did keep him then it'll be the latest chapter in the disaster that has been the last 10 years and will be a repeat of the genius idea to give Ole the job after the PSG game.
3 finals and 2 trophies in his first two years? Some of yous are fecking weird
Its tough
The season was horrible in league and champions league and obviously ETH has made mistake and persisted with suicidal tactics and sometimes wrong in game decisions and reactions. Many negative records have been set and finishing 8th in league should never be ok for a Utd manager. But he has a high win% of games and three finals in two seasons winning two of them is not bad and hasn't been a steady thing since Ferguson so not sure what I think anymore. I think some players also need to take accountabilities and structure has not been in place to succeed as much as possible. But he has gotten many players in that he has worked with before and many haven't looked the part. Can't figure out what I'd do really. Harsh to sack after winning to trophies in two seasons but also not ideal going into season with him in last year of contract and also not sure he deserves a new one haha.
Just hope Ineos get it right and fix structure and especially transfers in and out
The season was horrible in league and champions league and obviously ETH has made mistake and persisted with suicidal tactics and sometimes wrong in game decisions and reactions. Many negative records have been set and finishing 8th in league should never be ok for a Utd manager. But he has a high win% of games and three finals in two seasons winning two of them is not bad and hasn't been a steady thing since Ferguson so not sure what I think anymore. I think some players also need to take accountabilities and structure has not been in place to succeed as much as possible. But he has gotten many players in that he has worked with before and many haven't looked the part. Can't figure out what I'd do really. Harsh to sack after winning to trophies in two seasons but also not ideal going into season with him in last year of contract and also not sure he deserves a new one haha.
Just hope Ineos get it right and fix structure and especially transfers in and out
I think the decision has already been made. This game was not going to change that. But who knows.
I would imagine the candidates are Tuchel, Pochetinno, McKenna, Potter. Maybe Allegri and Conte? What are the chances of Zidane?
He's given us two trophies in two seasons. I'd rather that in all honesty than Arsenal's two seasons of finishing second and no trophy.
Neither for nor against his departure, I'd understand either way, I do think had we had Martinez/Varane available all season we'd not be having this conversation.
It's been a depressing season, but yesterday was absolutely brilliant.
Neither for nor against his departure, I'd understand either way, I do think had we had Martinez/Varane available all season we'd not be having this conversation.
It's been a depressing season, but yesterday was absolutely brilliant.
That only makes sense in complete isolation. If we were capable of mounting a title challenge, we wouldn't worry about cups at all. They would come with time depending on form and luck, as it's the case in cup competitions. Finishing 2nd in the league would be a far, far bigger deal for us at the moment. It feels we are a million miles away from that right now. If winning really was everything, would you be happy with another season just like this? I mean, we're not winning the league so we're better off with a trophy, right?
People are hilarious on here. The lack of self awareness is unreal. “If they don’t sack him then Utd are useless” “It will be a trainwreck”. Or…hear me out…maybe if he stays it’s because the club believe him to be the best man for the job and think he can still fit into our vision. What is it about modern society where if you disagree with something it’s the biggest travesty on earth. No logic, just reactionary emotions.
The players would probably have a good rapport with Gareth Southgate, doesn't mean we should hire him, nor would anybody want that.
Besides, I remember a time where the consensus on here was that if they players like the manager then that's a bad sign
I'll stick to what I've said all season, that these players aren't a bad bunch and aren't going to down tools under any manager. I think the problem players have largely been removed from the club and, with Ineos now in, I don't think they'll dare try to act out towards a manager as they're no longer the ones that are truly in control of the playing staff.
The way the players were interacting with him after the game made me feel like they all knew he was going and that it was a sort of goodbye. I don't know, it all looked a bit deeper than the usual celebrations.
I think it's based on the fact that he was a goner before the game. All the journalists were reporting that he was getting the sack. It wouldn't be the first time we kneejerk and abandon a plan though. What would make it worse is that we've apparently been reviewing this for weeks now, so to abandon it all after one game? It's not a good look if that is the case.
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