If he got us Champions League, there wouldn't even be a discussion in this thread considering the injuries. But the reality is we finished 8th with a negative goal difference and showed no progress on the pitch.
I think only 2 questions were related to the match, a few journos just wanted to put their narrative out rather than ask a question. Pretty disrespectful, especially whoever asked the last question. I wish ETH would give it back sometime, but can’t blame him for trying to avoid confrontation!
Arteta did it twice. In a row.
It's great to have Sir Jim as an incognito member of the forum, welcome
It’s been a tough season and some of the results have been painful so I get where you’re (ETH out) coming from, but I have to disagree, it’s all about winning trophies.
A fourth place finish with some decent football would have been far more meaningful in terms of indicating the direction we're going. This "knack" of winning trophies doesn't mean much if it's not the league or the CL. Would you be happy if we have the same season next year? A cup win is better than top 4 but only in isolation.
Arteta never went backwards. Pep also made them in to one of the greatest teams, and Zidane achieved things no one else did. You also left out Alonso who took Leverkusen on a great achievement.
So if we came 15th and won the FA Cup it’s fine because it makes the teams finishing above us pointless because we still make Europe?
Once was half a season. He did it only once in a full season, and he never went backwards. It was always an improvement.
How can you not like this guy. He should have sworn on the BBC. Preferably at Gary Linekar.
Arteta has no business along the other names mentioned. Alonso too. Arteta finished 8th - twice. He still has one only single FA cup to his name in many years.
Arteta's better because he was absolutely (sack worthy) shit twice but it was at the beginning
He's gone in my opinion. This just a way to delay the announcement and allow the club to enjoy the FA Cup win for a week.
But again, a one off performance in a cup final is not a barometer of progress in the same way a good league campaign is. Beating city in one important cup game does not signal significant progress to me when we feel further away than ever from them when it comes to the league.
. All these have been good, but United managers have struggled. The organisation has been shit.
SAF had a few years of upper mid table finishes before the FA Cup win which was said.to save his job. It's about instilling a winning mentality in the club...
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So.. you’re saying it IS fine to finish 15th and win the cup then?
He does and so does Alonso to disprove that experience is some absolute quantity to judge the ability of a manger. Experienced managers have failed, inexperienced managers have succeeded. In the end, unless they are given the job we are just speculating.
If he'd nutted Shearer I'd be arguing for a contract extension.
It was strange for such a big story to come out the day before the cup final and no other major outlet to fully back it up, there was a lot of talk that he might go or that he's on the brink but nobody followed up the Guardian's article with the same level of certainty. He's still probably in big trouble and it feels like he likely will go but I'm not sure contacting other managers was evidence he was gone rather than them seeing what their options are if they do make a change.
He clearly knows he's off or he wouldn't be talking so frankly. I wish him luck and think we should keep him, but he was the author of too many of his own misfortunes for comfort.
Winning a cup is never shit. His league performance was rubbish this season, but he has still shown he can reach 3 finals in 2 seasons and won 2 cups. Neither do you because there is absolutely nothing but blind faith suggesting he could make the jump from Ipswich to managing one of the biggest clubs in the world. He was with United's first team one more year than Ten Hag has been here, he doesn't have any more unique insight to our challenges than Ten Hag does.
