Yeah, very true. His initial salary revolved around him looking like a very special player destined to be one of the greats of his generation. Things haven’t worked out that way and he’s getting moved along too much like a hot potato for my liking, but as I’ve said in previous posts, I sincerely hope he proves me/us wrong.
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I’m suprised how little slack he gets considering his age. Litteraly, that people dont take his age more into consideration when talking about his performances and what he has done so far. Look where most great CBs were at that age.
Rio were always a huge talent, but do people remember him at West Ham and Leeds? Or even the first six months at Man Utd? I’m not sure he would have worked out if he came to Man Utd at a too young age. That arrogance and sometimes lack of focus would not have been accepted. I dont think the timing of getting him was just a concidence either. Ferguson bought most of his CBs between 24 and 27.
Where was van Dijk and Vidic between 18 and 24?
Since 23 he has had one season in team of the year in the BL and one ruined by injuries. I’m suprised Bayern sell him after the poor season. It feels like really poor timing of selling. On the contrary, I really like the timing of buying de Ligt at 25 and I could not care less that Juve and Bayern decided to sell him. Neither club seems very well operated at the minute.
It actually feels like they have helped develop and educate de Ligt, and on top we get a huge discount. Just because Bayern have been a mess for the past year and he had a season ruined by injuries.
Few people may know this, but it was Ten Hag that made him the youngest captain ever in Ajax history. So he will eventually play for a coach that will fully trust him, and will bring the best out of him again.
I would be happy if you’re proved wrong as well
I hope he comes, because he is in my opinion one of the best CB’s around under 25 and is available for money that makes it possible for us to strengthen other areas as well.
Yeah, he didn't reach the heights people expected, but those would have been insane. Instead, he's been a solid option for teams that are competitive in the Champions League, which is still very good for anyone. If United can bring him back on that world-class level trajectory, that would be amazing; but if he would just continue on the level he's been at at Bayern, I would think that's good as well, and plenty for United's needs.
What's the holdup?
Think it’s pretty clear Bayern aren’t budging from their asking price.
How far apart are we?
We already offered 42 million for De Ligt alone, it cant be more than a few million for the both of them. Prob also payment structure.
We'll cock this up and then sign Kurt Zouma --whose legs have been gone for 5 years -- at the last minute of the window.
The issue with De Ligt was always down to salary and fee. At 258k a week (Capology), he's paid more then Rudiger (235k), Militao (230k), Van Dijk (220k) and Saliba (190k). Rio got his slack when he moved to Leeds for big money. Who can forget SAF's famous 'If Rio is worth 18m then how much is Wes worth, 30m?' jab?
Juventus are a financial black hole and John Elkann is tired of wasting his money on it. They're going through a major economic restructuring aimed at becoming self-sufficient.
Its also true that Juve had someone lined up who was as good as he was, who suited Allegri's game better and he was on a lower salary. Once Juventus started rattling the cage, Bayern stepped in and De Ligt was determined to leave. Its pretty much copy and paste of what is happening at Bayern
One big plus with him is definitely attitude. Our team, apart from player additions needs good leaders, and he seems to have some presence on the pitch.
So many times we just give up as a team when a few things don’t go our way.
So many times we just give up as a team when a few things don’t go our way.
Juventus would have been better if they could have kept De Ligt AND sign Bremer to play with him. In their case it was an entirely financial consideration, they didn't care about weakening the team. Bayern on the other hand arw figuring they can sell De Ligt, replace him with a much cheaper player and not get worse. I'm not so sure they'll succeed
Anyways, great player but not one worth signing at all costs
Get him and ugarte and it'll be a wrap I think as far as we're concerned.
Doubt we have anything left for a fullback.
Doubt we have anything left for a fullback.
Bayern hasn‘t signed Tah yet.
Money.
A winners mentality with the medals to go with it. We need more like him in the squad.
Mentality strong, determined and will raise the bar on what he will expect and demand from teammates.
What you say isn’t wrong, but what @devilish said in regard to it is the stance most will take observing the player objectively because he was purchased and treated like a potential great of his generation, pretty much readymade (going by his Ajax showings) and ready to deliver, so he was never going to be judged as a kid, coming up the ranks - he has always been paid as though he is a bona fide elite CB and is judged in accordance with that.
He may turn it around and fulfil his early potential, if he does so for us then that will be incredible, but as of now, you can surely understand the doubts people who aren’t sold have about him? “Wages” simply doesn’t hold up because if a player is good enough, clubs will bend over backwards to accommodate them, even if it means sacrificing others or curtailing some of the future budget/expenditure.
A lot of eyes will be on him in the PL. I do sincerely hope he can deliver.
But that is not «our» problem. And if we buy de Ligt for £40 mill in a market where Guehi cost £70 mill, we can afford anf justify to pay him «over market».
Need to get this done asap
We will be fine with a back 3 of Maguire lindeloff evans and cas screening Infront : )
Max Eberl today saying he'll talk about the reasons "once it's done", but says they're not there yet. Says a lot of fans like him, but you have to make decisions and also account for the player's feelings. Says he's still a Bayern player and they'll support him as long as he is. Certainly sounds like this one will get done for sure ... you don't say things like that when you expect your player to stay.
Yeah I'd expect him and Mazraoui to be done by this time next week with McTominay and AWB gone.
Stay away from this. Juventus knew. Munchen know.
If we talked about taking risk with £20m or so I wouldn't have problem. Paying dubble or more is ridiculous.
If we talked about taking risk with £20m or so I wouldn't have problem. Paying dubble or more is ridiculous.
Why did Juve want to keep him then? Double bluff?
He's won the league in Holland, Italy and Germany. Won cups in various countries as well. Has 45 caps for holland. He's 24 years old What does he have to prove?
We are buying a proven winner. Ok he may never achieve his generational talent potential which they thought he had at 19. However he is still an outstanding CB.
Myopic viewpoints on this thread, "well he ain't proved it in the PL", "all other leagues are farmers leagues" etc etc are a bit silly
Being moved on from Juventus isnt a big deal if you understand what Juventus were going through at the time. Allegri left as Juventus owners wanted to play more attractive possession based football, despite the success they had under Allegri and his pragmatic football. The new approach was a disaster under Pirlo and then Sarri.
At Bayern, they have simply stretched themselves too much financially with financial huge deals for players and need to reign in the finances under UEFA FSR.
None of this stops him being a top top CB with nothing to prove.
Who the feck do you think you are? Coming in here with your sensible post, you ain’t from around here are ya!
Forty-odd million pounds for a player of De Ligt’s calibre and potential really isn’t that much. For a reference point, Max Kilman just joined West Ham for over that.
You are living in a world where Kilman went for 40m, Branthwaite who still has a lot to prove being quoted more than 70m and CP demanding 50-60m for Guehi, 40m for De Ligt is not the overpaying you seem to think it is.
If anything we are trying to take advantage of Bayern's desperation to sell by attempting to get the asking price lower which many teams have done to us over the years.
Which is patethic.
Ridiculous money. Why would anyone pay that for Branthwaite or Guehi? Fees have gone crazy and we should not be involved in that. We have done that to many times in the past. To many. We need to step away from doing that.
If they wanted to keep him that much he would be there. Don’t trust media on everything.
Juve wanted to keep de Ligt. De Ligt didn’t want to extend his contract. Therefore Juve sold him instead of losing him for free.
Did you at least watch him for any of those clubs? Because he wasn’t sold for his performances and both fanbases wanted and want to keep him.
£40m for De Ligt and £15m for Mazrouri.
Anyone else sniffing around De Ligt at that price?
According to every report since day one, he’s informed Bayern and his agent only to negotiate with United.
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