De Ligt | €45+5m agreement reached pending medical | Signed!
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Cannot think we are far apart
Feels like a bit of a bargain to me
Yeah, seems fair enough. If we manage to trim it to 51-52M, even better. But still, it’s a good deal.
70mio € are what most Bayern fans in our boards think would be fair for both.
If we’re able to sell AWB for £15m and Lindelof for £10-15m, then this trade is a no-brainer for sure. Significant upgrades to our defence at £25-30m net cost makes a lot of sense.
Done dealio, this is going to happen 100%.
We are a funny bunch. We have no problem forking out 60m pounds or more for teenagers from smaller clubs with no experience or achievements, but when it buys you the entire right side of Bayern's defense, two top players in their prime, all of a sudden we get all stingy
As Desire Doue wants Bayern over PSG and Bayern needs to raise some funds to complete that transfer, we'll see some developments soon.
It's because we know the players want United, the personal terms are agreed and we know Bayern will sell.
I'd say that is down to Bayern telling the two lads they were going to sell them this summer. There were likely conversations with the agent around what price the deals could be done at, and now the players, the agent and ourselves are looking to get the deals done at those prices.
It’s a good offer in all honesty. I think if we up the bid by 5-7 million £, this should be done.
Bayern would be dumb to reject an offer of that magnitude for 2 players that they don’t want.
We should be getting some discounting on price for taking 2 players in one go anyways
Bayern would be dumb to reject an offer of that magnitude for 2 players that they don’t want.
We should be getting some discounting on price for taking 2 players in one go anyways
Yoro is regarded as one of the best in terms of potential.
Meanwhile these are 2 players bayern doesn’t want.
Bayern has a new manager, new staff as well. It would be highly unlikely they don’t support Kompany with the players he needs. There’s pressure on them too to sell, as on us to buy.
Fair price is what someone is willing to pay and other is willing to accept, you can’t really compare here.
Sometimes I’m lost for words with comments like these, if other clubs try to lowball us for players that we don’t want (McT, AWB), they are shrewd negotiators. If we do the same we are regarded as stingy.
the club just can’t win, whatever they do.
The sale of De Ligt is not extremely popular with Bayern's fans, and the Bayern board has reportedly made it a red line not to sell below 50€. Which is not a crazy price anyway. If 55m pounds is what they reportedly demand for both, that means they're willing to let Mazraoui leave for 15m €. It does not get any cheaper than that, if the club is bidding below they are wasting time.
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Already a bargain to me for both players but if we get them for even less than that then hats off to team Ineos. If we still had Arnold and Murtough, we would pay 100m to Bayern.
Not a fan of either target but £55M with the right payment structure and add-ons, considering the wages, looks bearable. Hopefully it's just the AWB transfer holding us up. £10 - 15M for him is totally fine IMO considering he's in his final year.
Can Dalot start for City, Madrid, Even Arsenal?
This is the illusion that we have as United fans. Overrating our very mid level players. Dalot has been part of the United team that has leaked the most goals (top 5) , in United Premier League history
I see people have not learned anything, as Keane said Leopards never change their spots.
These players have scored the least amount of goals in United PL history while also leaked the highest goals. In between having -tive and 0 goal differences. But somehow they are good enough.
Let's wait and see, I can guarantee you we will leak over 45 goals next season, while scoring sub 60 goals. But we will act surprised again
We have more leverage here, we would have missed out on Yoro otherwise if we didn't up our bid.
The red line of €50m came up after the reaction of the fans which is fine obviously, but if that supporter outcry has resulted in Bayern demanding a higher fee than they had originally discussed with the players agent, when they themselves had decided to sell the players this summer, it's understandable that the players and agent would now be pissed off.
Bayern have put themselves in a tricky situation. We already know what they accepted from West Ham for Mazaroui and the agent will know exactly how much was agreed upon at the beginning of the window for either. If they've misjudged fan sentiment and need to increase it, or if they're simply attempting to impose a United tax, they don't have the strongest hand from which to negotiate and risk ending up with two very pissed off players on their books while losing out on the money they wanted to bring in.
I was thinking the opposite
West Ham agreed an initial £12m for Mazroui, with around £3m in add ons.
So assuming they accept the same valuation again from us, that means they’re valuing De Ligt at around £40m-43m.
That is a lot of money for someone they play Dier ahead of and who they have told is not part of their plans.
I’d say a combined £45m is a fair deal.
De Ligt is a top talent and still young considering his position. He's worth every penny.
Just because Bayern are forcing him out doesnt mean he's shit.
Why force out De Ligt (24) over Dier (30) baffles me.
And Kim who's shit.
He’s also struggled with injuries and fallen out of favour with both his club and international team despite there not being extreme competition at either.
His next club will be tasked with reviving his career and taking that risk with him. It’s an investment. Bayern have made clear they are not willing to do that. I think they’re laughing to value him at £40m
No matter how often this line is repeated, it keeps being wrong. Who made this up?
Tuchel picked Dier ahead of Kim after the winter break, while he benched Upamecano for De Ligt after the latter came back from injury. De Ligt-Dier was actually the starting CB pairing for the CL knock out games.
And £40m-43m is not at all a lot of money for a player of De Ligt's calibre.
What should be more of a stumbling block are De Ligt's wages, but since we seem to have agreed personal terms that is apparently overcome.
2022: paying £85m for Anthony. 2024: haggling over every penny in a max £55m deal for DeLigt and Mazraoui. I love that.
They need to cut wages and De Ligt is the highest earner in their defense.
I would say so. He’d certainly be in the conversation. I actually think Pep would love a player like Dalot & value him highly.
I'd say so too. Hopefully the last 5 or 10m will be heavily dependent on success-criterias.
De Ligt has a huge wage currently, so we'd either spend more money on his sign-on clause or his wage for him to come, making the total package for De Ligt quite high.
No way we should give him the same wage as with Bayern, as we'll be unable to ship him off if he flops. It's then probably 5-10m in sign-on which makes De Ligt a total of 45-50m.
We shouldn't be desperate. Maguire has done well the last 6 months and Shaw can play well as centre back too. Focus on getting great wingbacks and a defensive midfielder in.
There's no real mystery there, it's the money. Not only will De Ligt bring in a substantially bigger fee than Dier would, he's currently on three times the wages Dier is.
I like younger players as well and like the club to develop players, but I also think not every player from 28 is bad just because Varane and Casemiro didn’t turn out as we wanted. They were possibly on the decline already and that’s why Real sold them. That doesn’t mean every player is like that. Some experience can be good for a team as well, and 28 is not that old yet. Everybody is obsessed with teenagers these days, just because Barcelona plays 16 years old players and Real buy all the good teens from Brazil. But Real also took Rudiger at 29 and he is the rock of their defense and there is a good reason Bayern will buy Tah for 25 million euro, and that’s a good deal for them. City bought Kovacic at 29. Good squad planning is having players in every age group: 18-21, 21-25, 25-29 and 29-33. Not all players develop in the same way and on the same age. People are just too obsessed with only teenagers and young players these days.
Bayerns back up right side of defence.
They didn't play Dier ahead of De Ligt.
Wrong. Mazraoui started the vast majority of league games he was available for (i.e. not injured or away at AFCON) He also started 8 CL games. And the same goes for De Ligt.
This is all easy to look up, why are blatantly wrong things posted so readily?
I'd pay less attention to him now.. If you check his post history he's riddled with agenda driven posts. He seems to think De Ligt is basically Maguire.
I don't know why is it? Go check where Mazraoui was starting the last 3 champs league games for one before you talk nonsense about buying their right hand side.
Advice taken, thanks.
I think that's probably £5m too much but I would probably in time get over the emotional aguish of such overpaying.
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