That's just making excuses. A proactive club fixes their issues. If that means via sales, then so be it. You don't reward players who aren't good enough with new contracts. The change in ownership will be used as the main excuse for our horrendous Summer, however it just hides where the real problems lie.
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I like David, but he’s not at his best anymore and he’s a bit behind the curve in how he plays which we all know. I’m surprised a manager like Ten Hag would be happy to keep him, even at a reduced wage I imagine he’ll be on a handsome number.
Is Ten Hag not as married to his philosophy as we thought? If we keep De Gea then to some extent we need to scrap playing it short out of the back, he simply can’t do it effectively.
Is Ten Hag not as married to his philosophy as we thought? If we keep De Gea then to some extent we need to scrap playing it short out of the back, he simply can’t do it effectively.
You're creating a strawman. I'm not saying it's the correct thing to do. It's what the club is going to do, or at least it's what appears they are going to do. We don't have the money. Why we don't have it is a different argument entirely.
Just for clarity. I'd sign your guy from napoli for ST, de Jong for MF and the Milan keeper in a perfect world.
Addressing the biggest issue has to be our main focus this summer and given its the striker position is will require a huge amount of money.
After that we clearly need reinforcements in midfield as we have been exposed badly when we have lost Casemiro and Eriksen.
Beyond that, if there's much left, the defence has also been exposed in the event that both Varane and Martinez are out. And then we have the full backs beyond that.
Goalkeeper is so far down the list, I doubt anyone at the club has given it much thought for this summer. Longer term as the above issues are addressed, I fully expect it to become a bigger priority in the future.
No serious person thinks changing the keeper is the answer to our problems.a different keeper this season wouldn't have us any better off this season but you know what would (I know you do btw), a Harry Kane or other top class striker. Of everything happened exactly as it has this season, but Kane was on the end of the chances we create... We'd be much better off.
Having David Raya in goal however... No difference.
So we just continue to admit defeat then? I'm not prepared to accept that. We don't help ourselves.
I'd say keeper is 3rd priority tbh. I can also understand why people have it above mf as well.
I'll never understand someone that would see it as priority 1 above striker.
You are saying he lost us the game, I am saying he cost us a point.
You are not accounting for the other factor in why we lost, I am.
There's nothing we can do. That's the point. I'd be shocked if we buy a keeper (to start) and a striker this window. Let along a keeper striker and MF
Just two days ago everybody was claiming that ETH's comments were misdirection to keep DDG's morale up.
Sure enough, as expected, it turns out his comments were completely sincere and the club wants DDG to stay.
I wouldn't be surprised if the same is true about Wout, regarding his comments today.
Sure enough, as expected, it turns out his comments were completely sincere and the club wants DDG to stay.
I wouldn't be surprised if the same is true about Wout, regarding his comments today.
Of course he lost us the game! What other factor?
This was obvious, it was clear the deal was done weeks ago. We were just all crying for no reason.
People were thinking EtH saying he wanted him to stay was lip service but it was obvious he meant it.
A downright ridiculous decision from the club. Its no different to offering Pogba a new deal we were just lucky he was stupid enough not to sign it, DDG obviously wasn't going to make the same mistake.
This club is a joke.
People were thinking EtH saying he wanted him to stay was lip service but it was obvious he meant it.
A downright ridiculous decision from the club. Its no different to offering Pogba a new deal we were just lucky he was stupid enough not to sign it, DDG obviously wasn't going to make the same mistake.
This club is a joke.
I wouldn't have an issue with that view. Though the loss of Casemiro for me has shown a significant drop in quality so I'd prefer to see that addressed ahead of the keeper.
I also wouldn't see any issue in some long term planning around the keeper and looking at someone a bit younger who could work alongside De Gea for a year or two, starting out playing copy games and gradually increasing appearances while De Gea decreases his.
I'm not convinced there's any real replacements that offer an upgrade today, without bringing their own weaknesses and problems.
Why compound the issue though? Why not allow him to leave and free up his wages so we can re-allocate them? What sort of recipe for success is renewing the contracts of failing players?
The not fecking scoring part...
You know, the single most important, basically the entire point of the entire fecking sport.
Jesus man!
Oh there's loads of upgrades, they'll just cost 50 plus mil. Costa, ac Milan keeper etc.
I think we'll spunk close to 100mil on the Napoli striker or kane and sign a back up keeper. I can't see us doing much more unless we get this sale sorted.
New owners, whichever one it is, will spend as much as FFP allows to send a good signal
Oh right, so the game finishes 0-0 and we don't lose the game? Gotcha.
I wouldn't be surprised if we sign him and try and find someone young (like he was at the time) and relatively cheap to "compete" at best. I'll eat crow, but I'd just be shcoked if the board/owners release 50mil to sign a keeper.
Erm... Yeh?
Was this a serious question? It wasn't was it, I've been been had here surely.
What the F is going on
Glad to see when it counts the club continue to shoot themselves in the foot. Only thing I expect now is eth to be sacked sometime in the middle of next season for approving this.
It was too obvious. All these "3D chess" theories make me laugh. It's like everyone forgets how insanely incompetent and unambitious this club is.
We're banking on Varane and Martinez staying fit to mitigate the damage of having him in goal.
The term "Building a Castle on sand" comes to mind.
The term "Building a Castle on sand" comes to mind.
I'm not sure what you are arguing here?Erm... Yeh?
Was this a serious question? It wasn't was it, I've been been had here surely.
What the F is going on
Disagree. Having a keeper that can catch a cross and relieve pressure on our defence by sweeping high would probably have us 6/8 more points.
I don't want him here even as a number two, but if we sign some cheap young lad to take his place then I suppose I'd have to begrudgingly accept it.
Hopefully we still bring in a keeper to seriously challenge for the no1 spot this summer.
The new way they're trying to justify this is saying its on reduced wages and he's not a bad backup. He was on £375k before even if he takes half of what he was on that is still a ridiculous overpay and way above the wages for a keeper of his quality.
This was a money saving move. Sign DDG on reduced terms and sign a cheap goalie like Raya. So we'll have two average GKs and might still find ourselves with DDG starting.
Two cheap and average keepers fighting for a place is what Liverpool did with Mignolet and Karius. This obviously yielded average results and they only solved the issue spending a world record fee on Alisson.
Equally, having a keeper less capable of making saves while having those attributes may also cost us 6/8 points.
Having a Harry Kane level striker would undoubtedly have gained us many more points. We'd have won the last 2 games, we'd have beat Spurs. Our lack of goals isn't due to a lack of opportunity.
He is not some superb shot stopper, he makes saves every keeper does. It was years ago that he was an extra-ordinary shot stopper.
According to all available metrics he’s not even an average shot stopper. He’s well below average.
So who are we spending a world record fee for a goalkeeper on this summer?
If he just cut out the stupid errors like WH he'd be fine. Not great but fine. Manageable.
De Gea isn’t an outstanding shot stopper. He’s been average since 2019.
They could only do that by selling PC for 130 odd mil euro. We don't have anyone we can do that with.
We don't have the money.
You don’t have to pay a world record fee to sign a good keeper though. Maignan cost Milan €15m. Less than 2 years ago.
When was the last time we done some great business like that? Genuine question, maybe amad? And that was only because dortmund wouldn't sell us sancho
I stand corrected, you're right.
So you're saying we shouldn't start?
Completely disagree
As I've written in another thread, our team's whole set up is designed to compensate for DDG lack of control over his own box and very poor and panicky passing.
As a result, the entire set up has to drop deeper, which in turn invites more pressure on our defense/ more conceded chances/ late equalizers etc. Also, it's harder for us to dominate possesion and keep them away, since other teams know they can press us higher up the pitch. Couple that we the fact that that Dave can't even kick the ball and ends up gifting it most of the time to the opposition, which in turn leads us plenty of time to being hit on the counter every time Dave clears the ball.
The flipside is also true: due to the fact that we are so deep, it takes us longer(anywhere from 5-10 yards compared to other teams) just to reach the opposition goal, which in turn allows the opposition team an extra 1-2 seconds to set up their defensive formation. If you played football, then you know that 2 seconds is a long time sometimes. This fact is also exacerbated by the fact the DDG can't keep possesion and ends up kicking the ball out of play or to poorly positioned players more often than not.
If you think I'm talkin nonsense, look at the most attacking sides in the league City, Arsenal, Brighton, Brentford, Liverpool. All of the sides above are in the Top 5 highest defensive lines in the PL. You know where we rank? Bottom 3
I get it that we have our ST as a priority. But if the ST is 10/10 priority, then the GK is at least a 8/10 priority that should be easily solvable with 10-15 million+ the sale of Henderson.
I'm saying I don't think we are capable
Using that logic there’s no point signing any more players ever. Good money after bad.
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