[berbatrick]

The 40 yard pass to the full back, De Gea's is not bad at that in fairness. Not brilliant but not bad. It's more about his willingness and ability to play out under pressure, if it goes back to him and he's under pressure it's getting dumped forward or out play. He capable under limited pressure, but when he gets pressed it's panic stations and he just smashes it.

Glad you mentioned Courtouis and real madrid, watch how comfortably Real knock the ball around the back even under a high press, see how happy Courtouis is to take the ball under pressure keep his cool and play good short passes to his defenders or even into modified even with the opposition breathing down his kneck. De Gea can't or won't do that.

The kind of passing you're talking about, needs all eleven on the same page. Especially centre-backs and full-backs and deep midfielders. If DDG makes a risky quick pass to a player in midfield, he needs to be ready to turn and play it under pressure. I noticed a few times during the Newcastle game and a few before and after it*, that he tried this pass, made it, but the ball got lost soon after from a bad touch or bad pass. Could his pass have been more Scholes-like, perfectly weighted and feathered? Sure. Do the outfield players need to be MUCH better and better drilled for it to work? 100%. They shouldn't be thinking about where the next pass is, that should be automatic, as should their first touch. Neither DDG nor the rest of the team are anywhere near that level.

*McT, Sabitzer, Bruno, etc in midfield. The only ones I'd trust every time are Eriksen and Martinez, maybe Shaw.

 

[RVN1991]

Ronaldo was a proven goalscorer.. what's the difference? He's the goalkeeping equivalent of Ronaldo, huge wages with huge aspects of his game that just don't suit the team.

Why does it have to be someone proven? Why not bring in someone with a point to prove or better yet, someone more suitable that will improve along with the rest if the team. 12 years and not a single aspect of his game has gotten better.

You've got to be joking right? It worked out with Tim Howard and Ben Foster I guess.

 

[Sylar]

You've got to be joking right? It worked out with Tim Howard and Ben Foster I guess.

But ddg falls under that bracket when we bought him. He wasn't proven when we bought him

Meanwhile bosnich and barthez were more proven when they came to us and look how that turned out

 

[RVN1991]

But ddg falls under that bracket when we bought him. He wasn't proven when we bought him

Meanwhile bosnich and barthez were more proven when they came to us and look how that turned out

He was literally the biggest GK talent in the world alongside Neuer and was starting for one of the biggest clubs in Spain helping them win a Europa League in the process.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Ten Hag clearly knows nothing about modern football, talking about shot stopping being the priamry ability of a goalkeeper and how De Gea is good at it. He should read the caf.

 

[Sylar]

He was literally the biggest GK talent in the world alongside Neuer and was starting for one of the biggest clubs in Spain helping them win a Europa League in the process.

But he wasn't proven in our league as seen by his initial struggles with us and mixed results in cup tournaments for us thereafter

Again I have no issue with that, if we end up getting somebody from abroad who is classed as a top talent and that's defined as proven.

If we end up keeping ddg I will be interested to see how we play next season. Eth has spoken a lot about his character and its clear that is something we look at for our players not just their talent.

 

[Longshanks]

Ten Hag clearly knows nothing about modern football, talking about shot stopping being the priamry ability of a goalkeeper and how De Gea is good at it. He should read the caf.

Your right, I fully expected him to throw our current number 1 fully under the bus call him shit and tell everyone how he wants to replace him in the summer as a priority 24 hours before a crucial euro away and just over 72 hours away from a fa cup semi final. I mean yeah would be incredible man management that.

What he thinks in private on the other hand.... Well who knows really suppose we will find out in the summer.

 

[Pickle85]

But ddg falls under that bracket when we bought him. He wasn't proven when we bought him

Meanwhile bosnich and barthez were more proven when they came to us and look how that turned out

Yup. He was directly comparable to Tim Howard and Ben Foster. Fecking hell...

 

[Sylar]

Yup. He was directly comparable to Tim Howard and Ben Foster. Fecking hell...

Well clearly not what was said, but if reading or comprehension is something you're going to avoid for the sake of being offended, you go do that

 

[Pickle85]

Well clearly not what was said, but if reading or comprehension is something you're going to avoid for the sake of being offended, you go do that

You literally did directly compare them though...

 

[Sylar]

You literally did directly compare them though...

Well I "literally" didn't "directly" compare them. If that's your takeway, there is nothing more I can say

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Ten Hag clearly knows nothing about modern football, talking about shot stopping being the priamry ability of a goalkeeper and how De Gea is good at it. He should read the caf.

He isn't that good of a shot stopper though, not anymore at least. By any metric

 

[sullydnl]

Ten Hag clearly knows nothing about modern football, talking about shot stopping being the priamry ability of a goalkeeper and how De Gea is good at it. He should read the caf.

I don't think many if any of De Gea's critics here have argued that shot-stopping isn't the single most important aspect of goalkeeping. It obviously is.

In fact the view of modern goalkeeping expressed by ETH (being good in possession has become more and more important at the top levels of football but at the end of the day it's still about basics like stopping shots, crosses, one on ones etc.) is closer to that of De Gea's harshest critics than some of his staunchest defenders, who downplay the need for him to be good at anything other than shot-stopping alone. The POV of critics is in line with ETH's: goalkeepers need to be well rounded.

The difference is that ETH ends his comments with an obvious untruth to protect his player by describing De Gea as that complete goalkeeper. When in reality pretty much every rational football fan would concede that De Gea is very weak in at least one of the four aspects of goalkeeping cited.

 

[NLunited]

81% - 29 accurate passes out of 36 attempted. (Whoscored)

Not bad for a goalie who is pressed.

 

[NLunited]

Seemed pretty clear for a while that we were looking to give him a new contract.

That still leaves us needing to sign another goalkeeper mind as Butland is on loan and Henderson won't want to stay (nor should be kept).

It's just a question of what standard of second choice goalkeeper we can get. The complete back-ups we've had this season or someone who can theoretically offer competition, particularly if De Gea isn't playing well.

Raya

 

[NLunited]

I think we will get some young up and coming keeper in to challenge him for the 1st spot, with the expectation that he replaces him the following season.

De Gea has some good attributes but Ten Haag clearly adapted the approach after that 4-0 Brentford game, as his short passing under pressure is poor, and instead he goes long every time now when pressed.

If the Glaziers are still here through the summer we won't buy unless we can sell.

You should know that is total bs. He plays progressive passes through the lines to beat the press EVERY game.

 

[NLunited]

I don't think many if any of De Gea's critics here have argued that shot-stopping isn't the single most important aspect of goalkeeping. It obviously is.

In fact the view of modern goalkeeping expressed by ETH (being good in possession has become more and more important at the top levels of football but at the end of the day it's still about basics like stopping shots, crosses, one on ones etc.) is closer to that of De Gea's harshest critics than some of his staunchest defenders, who downplay the need for him to be good at anything other than shot-stopping alone. The POV of critics is in line with ETH's: goalkeepers need to be well rounded.

The difference is that ETH ends his comments with an obvious untruth to protect his player by describing De Gea as that complete goalkeeper. When in reality pretty much every rational football fan would concede that De Gea is very weak in at least one of the four aspects of goalkeeping cited.

And yet DeGea is signing a new contract. You are dead wrong. Ten Hag sees David‘s qualities and weaknesses, and is happy with him overall.

 

[Alemar]

Ten Hag sees David‘s qualities and weaknesses, and is happy with him overall.

ETH probably knows better than us here what our transfer budget will be in the summer. And given we have other needs (striker, midfielder, defender), he likely thinks that it’s easier to extend de Gea and concentrate on transfers for other positions

 

[sullydnl]

And yet DeGea is signing a new contract. You are dead wrong. Ten Hag sees David‘s qualities and weaknesses, and is happy with him overall.

How on earth does De Gea signing a new contract mean I'm dead wrong? I didn't argue that Ten Hag doesn't like De Gea, or doesn't practically see the need to upgrade elsewhere in the short term.

Just that describing him as a complete goalkeeper is an obvious lie, because only the most stupid of stupid people would think De Gea has no area of goalkeeping in which he is weak.

 

[NLunited]

How on earth does De Gea signing a new contract mean I'm dead wrong? I didn't argue that Ten Hag doesn't like De Gea, or doesn't practically see the need to upgrade elsewhere in the short term.

Just that describing him as a complete goalkeeper is an obvious lie, because only the most stupid of stupid people would think De Gea has no area of goalkeeping in which he is weak.

You were saying Ten Hag does not like De Gea. That is obviously bs.

To give validity to their skewed opinions, people make up stuff to validate them. Guess what, David gets a new contract. That would not happen if Ten Hag did not like him.

You could take any player in our team and point to weaknesses. What is the point?!?

I see De Gea as a great goalie overall. No one is saying he doesn‘t have flaws.

 

[sullydnl]

You were saying Ten Hag does not like De Gea. That is obviously bs.

I literally didn't say that at all.

 

[Alemar]

Hopefully we don’t take it to a penalty shoot out today - otherwise David will need to outperform Bono somehow

 

[Pickle85]

Hopefully we don’t take it to a penalty shoot out today - otherwise David will need to outperform Bono somehow

Would you rather we beat Sevilla or we lose but DDG has a terrible game?

 

[Alemar]

Would you rather we beat Sevilla or we lose but DDG has a terrible game?

I like de Gea a lot, generally speaking. So I would rather that we win and DDG has a clean sheet

 

[Pickle85]

I like de Gea a lot, generally speaking. So I would rather that we win and DDG has a clean sheet

Ah apologies, I misunderstood your previous post. My bad. Agreed, he gets a bizarrely tough time here.

 

[TheGodsInRed]

You should know that is total bs. He plays progressive passes through the lines to beat the press EVERY game.

Stats suggest this is just not true. They have been posted on this thread many times, so I'll not repost.

I like De Gea too. You can be sentimental, but I'm not going to pretend he is something he is not.

 

[P-Ro]

let battle commence

 

[Based Adnan]

Giving him a new contract will be up there amongst our worst decisions post Fergie. Absolute liability today at fault in some capacity for all 3 goals. Completely crumbled and he's one of our supposed senior players.

 

[The Corinthian]

He’s awful.

 

[BerryBerryShrew]

I feel sympathy for the poor YouTube lads who make DDG blunder videos. Every time they release a comprehensive one, Dave is sure to render it outdated a few days later.

 

[sullydnl]

What can you say really?

Thought Maguire was more to blame for the first goal. But Maguire has already been dropped from the starting eleven by ETH and will likely leave the club this summer, whereas De Gea will reportedly be given a new contract. So De Gea feck ups are more of a problem beyond the short term.

And that third goal.....

Pfffff.

Stats get referenced a lot in this thread but if you've watched us this season your eyes should be screaming at you that this isn't what a goalkeeper fit for a top side looks like.

 

[Bwuk]

He can feck off. Pathetic as he has been the last few years in big games.

 

[Who's Kissing Cameras?]

If DDG is #1 next season I will question ETH. It’s clear to see he’s a below average keeper now. He has been since World Cup 2018.

 

[shamans]

You should know that is total bs. He plays progressive passes through the lines to beat the press EVERY game.

And If he is then Ten Hag needs a real wobble.

At this point I'm tired of crying about De Gea since 2019. What a crap player. The worse part is he'll make some TV saves next game and all is well.

 

[Kopral Jono]

Fecking shitcnut, tonight is firmly all on him. Get the feck out of this football club.

 

[Baxter]

Silver lining might be that the contract offer gets pulled. Never in a million years should be at Old Trafford next season.

 

[spiriticon]

I've had enough of his shit.

 

[Devil81]

Based on tonight they should remove any contract offer on the table. No point having him around anymore as he needs replacing.

This is about the 10th game he's personally destroyed for us and they all seem to be huge occasions.

 

[shamans]

He can feck off. Pathetic as he has been the last few years in big games.

More like 5 years. Even cost us top 4 twice imo.

 

[Lay]

Said it for so many years now. He isn’t good enough! No wonder saves will make him good enough when he lacks so much in every other department. He’s been here a decade and with numerous defenders, the defence is still shite. I wonder what the common denominator has been for all those seasons