Another good game by save Dave. Several of his long passes were beautifully executed.
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Yet another game where the opponent created multiple dangerous chances from crosses deep into the 6 yard box because our keeper either refused to move off his line or was to weak to reach the ball. It's actually insane how bad he is at claiming crosses. He's been at the club for more than a decade and hasn't improved this aspect of his game at all. How is that possible?
2 or 3 corners aside he was ace. Played some real good passes, couple good punches and catches.
The coaches need to come up with a way to solve the corner issue though
The coaches need to come up with a way to solve the corner issue though
Was thinking the same thing tbh...
Don't know about that. Every corner he was as shaky as possible. Every deep cross a concern. I thought he was our biggest liability this game (except for Maguire in the first 15 Minutes).
Nontheless, at one point he really caught a cross and then instantly started a break with a good long throw - two things he never does otherwise.
Same thing as me (ie that poster's stream of consciousness post was incomprehensible) or the same thing as them (ie whatever they were trying to say which I think was about Maguire a comparable keeper to de gea)?
It’s quite funny how the arguments to criticize De Gea keep changing.
A few weeks ago it was about his distribution. Now everyone is on about « commanding his area » and « claiming crosses ».
I’m yet to see inwards corners with teams crowding the 6-yard box not resulting in chaos, it happened to Arsenal this very afternoon for instance.
Why don’t just say « yes De Gea is a good keeper but we could with better »? Although I’m still not sure the keeper the Caf has in mind really exists, the perfect keeper, capable of literally flying above attackers to claim every crosses, capable of reflex saves and with the passing range of Pirlo.
I look forward to our next keeper and the creative ways the Caf will find to criticise him
A few weeks ago it was about his distribution. Now everyone is on about « commanding his area » and « claiming crosses ».
I’m yet to see inwards corners with teams crowding the 6-yard box not resulting in chaos, it happened to Arsenal this very afternoon for instance.
Why don’t just say « yes De Gea is a good keeper but we could with better »? Although I’m still not sure the keeper the Caf has in mind really exists, the perfect keeper, capable of literally flying above attackers to claim every crosses, capable of reflex saves and with the passing range of Pirlo.
I look forward to our next keeper and the creative ways the Caf will find to criticise him
Was wondering why the like, but honestly I don't understand 80% of the posts in the footie forum and Pigeon explained his reasoning...
And even then, he has the most clean sheets in the league! It's like a counter tactic, they're so obsessed with targeting De Gea, theyre forgetting everything else.
fait point about the broad incomprehensibility of the footie forum. Tbh I read my own posts back much of the time and wonder what on earth I was on about.The 36 year old you are mentioning is one of the most decorated GK of club football. One of the best GKs of the last 10 years. The rest of your post is not even worth replying.
No complaints about Dave today outside of the corners.
With Newcastle and Arsenal conceding over the weekend, I think Dave is now in the lead for the golden gloves? Would be incredible if he could win it. Either way, solid performance from him today.
De Gea haters have nowhere to run or hide.
I was pleased with De Gea today. End of the day if you're quick to criticise you should also be quick to praise and in a game where I genuinely don't remember them having a shot on target he still performed pretty well I thought.
I haven't seen anything back yet but I enjoyed his distribution overall, played another couple of great balls over the top and also threw the ball out a couple of times quickly which I've been critical of him for not doing. Same goes for dealing with crosses, he caught a couple and punched a couple too which is a lot more active than usual; I suggest in no small part due to the return of the Maguire/Lindelof pairing as he has a very different relationship with those two than he does with Martinez/Varane. There were a couple of lads behind me shouting at him for not catching one of the balls he punched but the reality is he's outside of his comfort-zone by coming for the ball in the first place so I don't think it's fair to be too critical as long as he's got the ball safe.
There's always going to be the odd poor kick or cross he doesn't deal with, at the end of the day we all know his limitations and it's no secret he's not my ideal style of goalkeeper but he is clearly being challenged more and more by the coaches and he is working hard on improving the poorer areas of his game (which definitely has not been the case in years gone by) so fair play to him.
I haven't seen anything back yet but I enjoyed his distribution overall, played another couple of great balls over the top and also threw the ball out a couple of times quickly which I've been critical of him for not doing. Same goes for dealing with crosses, he caught a couple and punched a couple too which is a lot more active than usual; I suggest in no small part due to the return of the Maguire/Lindelof pairing as he has a very different relationship with those two than he does with Martinez/Varane. There were a couple of lads behind me shouting at him for not catching one of the balls he punched but the reality is he's outside of his comfort-zone by coming for the ball in the first place so I don't think it's fair to be too critical as long as he's got the ball safe.
There's always going to be the odd poor kick or cross he doesn't deal with, at the end of the day we all know his limitations and it's no secret he's not my ideal style of goalkeeper but he is clearly being challenged more and more by the coaches and he is working hard on improving the poorer areas of his game (which definitely has not been the case in years gone by) so fair play to him.
Was good today, showed off his strengths, and also his weaknesses, although in fairness he showed some improvement in his weaker areas today. There were still a couple of balls passed straight out of play, or to the opposition, but he also put Sancho through with a great ball over the top. Same with his lack of assertiveness with crosses/corners, but there were a couple of times he came and claimed that he wouldn't have before, so credit where it's due.
This sums up how I felt about him today very nicely.
His weaknesses are what they are, and I maintain that we'll only go so far with him. However, I fully take my hat off to him for having improved on some of these weaker areas in recent weeks. His distribution in particular has generally been really solid in the past few weeks.
I liked his distribution. Huge positive today.
I do think in games like this when hes not pressured, he will be better at it. Weve seen the issues comes from when its passed back to him and there is a team press from the opposition that it becomes a problem
But its a shame Rashford is out, cos some of the distribution would really benefit Rashford who would not be looking to cut back but to drive on (especially when its one man only to beat)
I do think we got away with the corners stuff, because their player basically missed a header at 1-0 from literally a yard out. Set pieces were a huge concern, as usual.
I also really hope he gets the clean sheet / golden gloves thing and another trophy to cap of this season and possibly his career at United
I do think in games like this when hes not pressured, he will be better at it. Weve seen the issues comes from when its passed back to him and there is a team press from the opposition that it becomes a problem
But its a shame Rashford is out, cos some of the distribution would really benefit Rashford who would not be looking to cut back but to drive on (especially when its one man only to beat)
I do think we got away with the corners stuff, because their player basically missed a header at 1-0 from literally a yard out. Set pieces were a huge concern, as usual.
I also really hope he gets the clean sheet / golden gloves thing and another trophy to cap of this season and possibly his career at United
Let just say we have different standard about having a "good game".
For that Maguire's handball. We had 3 United players contesting for the same ball, and none of them could properly clear it out. Amazing.
He's the premier league 's clean sheet king this season if everything goes well!
I came to post the exact thing. Astonishing we're leading in clean sheets after being taken to the cleaners against Brentford (4), City (6) & Liverpool (7). Leave these 3 games aside and we've only conceded 20 goals in 27 premier league games - an astonishing feat. I'm sure we'll address these meltdown games next season.
According to Fotmob, Navas had a 67% pass completion and DDG had 81%.
Navas had zero high claims and two punches. DDG had one high claim and one punch.
Not sure Navas did more in either regard. He had some great saves, but who said he’s a poor goalie?
Good post
Teams are obviously targeting him at set pieces because he has a glaring weakness. Teams better than Nottingham Forest will punish us (and have).
Obviously not that much seeing as though he's the current golden gloves leader.
His passing has looked more composed over the past month for sure. There was one wayward kick in between Dalot and Sancho (?) In our half on the left if I recall, but overall he picked up some nice completions.
But...but...but he had the fewest progressive carries of ANY united player, 0 assists and his xG was insignificant. Unacceptable for a top four goalkeeper.
Yeah I'd be interested to see how many we've conceded from corners/set-pieces compared to other teams. I have no idea, one way or the other, but some actual stats/evidence would be much more useful than the apocalyptic predictions that seem to infest the DDG thread.
Haha... we just had one of the best game for a long time. A total domination from the back to the front lines. And still some always complain about little things. It's just not mentally healthy with that approach in life.
As per Whoscored we've conceded 9 goals from set-pieces (not counting penalties), which is midtable in that sense (joint 8th-11th). Looking at teams near us, Spurs have conceded 7, Arsenal & Newcastle 6, City 5.
So set-pieces would account for 24.32% of the goals we've conceded, versus 19.35% for Arsenal, 17.85% for City, 25% for Newcastle and 15.5% Spurs.
Though not sure what conclusions you can really draw from that tbh.
At this point in his career, he’s obviously not going to have the range of Ederson or Allison, but I thought his kicking improved quite a bit recently. Even in the Sevilla game, where they deployed a very aggressive press when he’s in possession, he didn’t blunder.
And does he not have a better pass completion rate than Ramsdale? Pretty sure I saw a graphic the other day comparing keepers in the league. Think De Gea is at 70% and Ramsdale is at 63% or so. Of course, I’ve never rated the latter but if Ramsdale is good enough for Assna to mount a title challenge then we can make do with De Gea while strengthening other positions.
And does he not have a better pass completion rate than Ramsdale? Pretty sure I saw a graphic the other day comparing keepers in the league. Think De Gea is at 70% and Ramsdale is at 63% or so. Of course, I’ve never rated the latter but if Ramsdale is good enough for Assna to mount a title challenge then we can make do with De Gea while strengthening other positions.
Navas made excellent saves, but what could de Gea do if there were zero shots on target?
The issue with pass completion is that it naturally assumes you're actually trying to keep possession, when with certain play styles this just isn't the case. If you watch Ramsdale's longer kicks he's rarely aiming for a player, he's aiming over the heads of the opposing full backs in order to turn them and then for the wide attacking players to win the ball high up the pitch. It shows up much clearer in his longer passing stats, off the top of my head him & Meslier (who largely does the same thing) are the two lowest completion %s by a reasonable distance - circa 25% off the top of my head. It's actually really interesting to watch when you're in the ground because it's such a different approach, but there's definitely a logic to it certainly for sides without a great deal of height along their attacking line.
There was talk about claiming crosses and distribution, of which DDG was statistically better than Navas for both.
I’m still having a laugh at the caf poster, a self-proclaimed United supporter, who argued that De Gea is the worst keeper in the PL.
Another clean sheet from him. His kicking is really improving. He's having a brilliant season.
I genuinely think that he doesn't get involved with crosses because of the lack of protection he gets from referees. He got cleaned out a few times a couple of years ago and the referees let the goals stand. He's probably right to just leave it to his defenders.
I genuinely think that he doesn't get involved with crosses because of the lack of protection he gets from referees. He got cleaned out a few times a couple of years ago and the referees let the goals stand. He's probably right to just leave it to his defenders.
Not sure about that considering he had 3 nightmare matches this year. But he is having a very decent season.
"3 nightmare matches" does not make a brilliant season a decent one ffs. What is it with y'all he's having a good season. I guess majority of keepers in the league must be decent to shite?
We have conceded 20 goals in 27 matches if you take out Brentford, Liverpool and City which is a very handy record, that's not to say those defeats were not concerning but they are the outlier to a very parsimonious defensive and GK output in all the other games.
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