Curious to this statement, and I'm not saying this to pick on you or tear apart ddg.
What makes you think he is class?
Also what do you think he will specifically improve on from his game and what makes you think that?
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What makes you think he is class?
Also what do you think he will specifically improve on from his game and what makes you think that?
If that's the case, then we're gonna give him more than he's worth to make him stay ??
Personally think we should be trying to drop his wages to 150k , which is reportedly what Allison at Liverpool gets.
I do hope the club sale is sorted before the summer window so we aren't looking at 'were restricted in what we can do' but that's a fools dream
The fact that he was good 5 years ago and still has some highlight saves. People see both of those things and don't look anywhere past that.
And he's a very average shot stopper at this point as well but people just reference a big save he's made in a certain match as "saving us" when the way fecking football works is that all of it averages out over the course of a year. Just like a striker isn't a great finisher just because he scored a couple of huge winners either.
meh i think first and foremost a top CF. Then i think a top CM to pair with case and to allow eriksen to become a super sub/rotational guy vs an every game type starter. Then you could debate between a 3rd CB and a GK if EtH is inclined. In an ideal world with a competent transfer team id have faith in them being able to add quality at CF, CM (and honestly prob need 2 CMs), a 3rd CB, and a GK.
His shot stopping was averaging pretty well as recently as last season however
If the club think he's worth the same as Alisson heads should roll.
Liverpool, City and Arsenal all improved considerably when they signed distribution specialist goalkeepers. Brentford and Brighton consistently punch above their weight and I don't think it's a coincidence that their goalkeepers have outstanding distribution. I love De Gea, but I'm not sure how much longer we can turn a blind eye to his mediocre distribution and it's detrimental effect on our build-up play.
True and if the question was just "do we need to upgrade De Gea?" then I would think the answer is very obvious to all but a few. But it's more complicated than that.
Pep changed goalkeepers as soon as he landed at City. But he had inherited a team that already had KDB, Sterling, Fernandinho, Aguero, Silva, Kompany, Zabaleta, Clichy and Yaya Toure in it, even before he embarked on that summer's €200m-ish spending spree of which signing Bravo was just a small part. And even then he hadn't fully fixed the GK position at that point, with Ederson arriving the following year as part of another near-€300m splurge. Meanwhile in Liverpool's case Alison was obviously a massive and key signing for them. But his signing came at a point where they had already reached a CL final with all of Salah, Mane, Firmino, VVD, TAA, Robertson, Wijnaldum and Henderson in place in the starting eleven.
In other words important though bringing in the right goalkeeper was for those two sides, they still came when they had already addressed nearly all the outfield problems first. So if the argument is that with limited spending available to us this summer we still need to focus our resources on other outfield players and punt the goalkeeper issue ahead, it seems a fair one.
If people genuinely think we're just one more summer from potentially winning major trophies then I could understand them being disappointed at De Gea staying, but I don't. Regardless of what we realistically do this summer I think we're still another year from that point. So with that in mind I don't think another season of De Gea is a massive issue, even if it isn't my preference.
We still need to sign another goalkeeper of some description if De Gea stays given Butland is on loan, Heaton's contract is expiring and Henderson doesn't want to be here. So we can still hope for some cheaper buy who can at least challenge De Gea.
Seeing how progressive Allison is with his play for Liverpool often playing as a sweeper keeper makes De Gea look really one-dimensional
We're gonna make a huge mistake extending him. I can't believe ETH is okay with this.
Ironic you say that when man City's 2nd goal today was because Alison was rooted to his line
It's all fair points if it wasn't for the massive elephant in the room, De Gea is out of contract.
Committing ourselves to De Gea with a new contract when most sane people accept that he simply is no longer good enough at the very top would be frankly madness. Especially when David Raya is available for what 20-40 million. That's probably about what we will get for Henderson.
Raya could be a revelation for us, or he could turn out to not quite be good enough but either way he looks very solid and has far more modern and proactive GK qualities than De Gea.
Keeping De Gea and bringing another GK in to try and compete with our long term No1 who has a legendary status is also really stupid. De Gea being at the club will cast a huge shadow over any new keeper. We have the option to let De Gea go. Have a clean break give the gloves to a more modern progressive keeper and see how it goes. I guarantee the teams performance will improve massively even if the individual GK performance isn't as good.
We may even solve the GK issue at first try or we just move it on a couple of seasons which is exactly what would happen if we commited to De Gea the difference being we will have a GK that fits the profile we want and we can actually play how ETH wants and not have to compromise.
So we play better but let in more goals?
Seriously, you De Gea haters are such a weird bunch!Missed the cross for the first goal too. I have no idea if those things count within those metrics above. Allison is generally very good 1v1 though, so I would imagine he’s definitely a massive positive for Liverpool stats wise.
So we play better but let in more goals?
If we play better we create more chances and concede less chances. But we may have a GK that doesn't make as many remarkable saves so is deemed as not as individually as good.
Watching Ederson yesterday, I‘m sure you would have slagged him off if he happened to be named De Gea.
I‘m saying De Gea has improved a lot, not that he looks comfortable yet doing it.
Doesn't make any sense? A save is a save, just like a scuffed goal is exactly the same as a 30-yard screamer. I know you De Gea haters love the stats but I've never seen any stats where remarkable/unremarkable saves are recorded anywhere. At the end of the day, all that matters is keeping the ball out the back of the net, which is any GK's primary purpose.
Newcastle 2:0 Man Utd
Superb performance. But then those stats??
Typical DDG. Made some huge saves to keep us in the game, but was typically shaky playing out of the back and refused to ever claim a cross and hence the equalizer.
Watch Nick Pope play on the other hand and the guy doesn't let anything get even near the 6 yard box.
Watch Nick Pope play on the other hand and the guy doesn't let anything get even near the 6 yard box.
Completely dominated aerially all game
Some good saves but continues to be a liability
Some good saves but continues to be a liability
My thoughts exactly. Made some great saves but everything that goes in the six yard box results in a chance for the opposition unless one of our defenders heads it away because Dave just has absolutely no command of his area.
He had a good game till he stood like a clown on his line watching the ball twice go over him without even trying to claim it.
fecking dreadful. Serious doubts about ten Hag if he persists with jokers like this. Couldn't dominate his 6 yard box, let alone his penalty area.
He made a fantastic save at 1-0. I mean many other keepers probably don't make that save but at the same time it was one that a lot of keepers just come out and claim.
He made saves today but can you argue any are worldy saves? The double save, the second one was at him. I honestly think we win a positive by improving upon him and it's not gonna be as hard a task as many have made out in previous posts in this thread
This loss is not not on him but we will be better as a team when we have a better keeper in our spine, one who can do some of the basics to a solid level
He made saves today but can you argue any are worldy saves? The double save, the second one was at him. I honestly think we win a positive by improving upon him and it's not gonna be as hard a task as many have made out in previous posts in this thread
This loss is not not on him but we will be better as a team when we have a better keeper in our spine, one who can do some of the basics to a solid level
Average performance. A couple of amazing saves but his lack of ability to claim a ball in the air hurt us.
Saying that DDG could have claimed those two crosses leading to goals, man... probably need to watch those again, boys.
Honestly, what are you on about? The guy makes save after save, giving us a platform to get some points. The whole team play shit and it's him you go after?
Our best player today. The poor team performance must have triggered his PTSD from the days when he was our best player for half a decade.
Doesn't deserve criticism today, except for maybe that second good save at 1-0, but as you say he should have claimed that cross easily, but you know he will be praised for the incredible save from his fans.
Finally good distribution from him though! Good game overall, IMO.
Second one he definitely could have. First one no.
I've hardly gone in hard on him. I said he was average which isn't bad and isn't good. For sure we had a lot of players worse than him but still we need him to claim those high balls.
I think overall he has been very good this season but today wasn't great.
Looking through the player ratings for today and I have no idea how anyone is voting for De Gea as MOTM. Today outlined his weaknesses. I don't care about the ball at his feet. Too many make him out to be worse than he really is there. The biggest problem is crosses.
Many say the first he had no chance at. I completely disagree. From his positioning he has no chance because he's stuck on his goal line. There is only one place Maxim is heading that, and it's back across goal. De Gea should read that and be off his line closer to front post. Pope did it on a cut back header from Varane and it looked so routine.
Then there's the "great save" he makes from a header when he tips it onto the bar. That was 2 yards out. There never should have been a header to begin with. That should have been De Gea's ball all day long,.
Then there's the 2nd goal. First off, it was never a foul. But bad call aside, there is only a right footer over the ball. So it's going to be an out swinger. So where is De Gea? On his goal line. Where should De Gea be? Closer to his 6. Again, that should have been his ball all day long.
2 goals and 1 almost goal, all from well inside the 6 yard box. De Gea may make some great saves, but there are many that he shouldn't have to make, like these 3 described above
Many say the first he had no chance at. I completely disagree. From his positioning he has no chance because he's stuck on his goal line. There is only one place Maxim is heading that, and it's back across goal. De Gea should read that and be off his line closer to front post. Pope did it on a cut back header from Varane and it looked so routine.
Then there's the "great save" he makes from a header when he tips it onto the bar. That was 2 yards out. There never should have been a header to begin with. That should have been De Gea's ball all day long,.
Then there's the 2nd goal. First off, it was never a foul. But bad call aside, there is only a right footer over the ball. So it's going to be an out swinger. So where is De Gea? On his goal line. Where should De Gea be? Closer to his 6. Again, that should have been his ball all day long.
2 goals and 1 almost goal, all from well inside the 6 yard box. De Gea may make some great saves, but there are many that he shouldn't have to make, like these 3 described above
Definitely doesn't deserve criticism today but also kind of showed why he needs to go. With an average keeper maybe we are a goal down before they score the 1st goal. But an average keeper does better for the 1st goal and definitely prevents the 2nd goal. He just isn't worth it anymore.
Neither of the goals were really his fault but the one wonder-save he had to make was directly a result of him not claiming a cross that should've been his every time.
Second one, yes you have a case. It's 50:50 as it's not that close to the goal, but a proactive one might go for it. Although usually you left it to CBs to deal with it. I put more blame on half arsed Rashford heading.
Partly to blame for both goals
He wouldn't need to make as many saves if he could come out and claim a cross, I'm not blaming him for this result though everyone was shit
As important as getting a new striker.
Can't wait until we have a proactive keeper that just claims this instead of being all at sea for no reason
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