Copa America 2015 | Tournament over, Eboue misses the final, everyone lols

Yeah had a good game. Got kicked to pieces by the thug Colombia team but still kept taking his man on and created a few chances.

Ospina made an amazing save from one of his headers but Messi should probably still have scored it.

I think this game was Messi's NT career in a microcosm -- impressive in some aspects, less so in others, always on the brink of success, but ultimately falling just short for whatever reason... it accentuates his "limits" more clearly than we can see at Barça, even though he has those same ones there as well. Although a number of Argentina fans seem to blame mentality or lack of mental toughness for Messi's (and the other players') "failure" for the NT, I don't think that's really the case, for Messi anyway. It proves to me something that's quite clear for his club as well: he's just not a truely natural finisher (not meaning he isn't world class at it, just not a "second nature" type finisher). In situations where he meets a loose ball in the final third/box Messi almost always wants to settle the ball for himself first before pulling the trigger even if the latter was the more appropriate option (he does the same to a lesser extent in his passing, by the way). Aside from that tendency, he's also always missed quite a few clear cut chances, even at Barça. The thing with Messi seems to be that he needs very little to score in general, but seems to find it harder when the ball is on a plate (relatively speaking). I do reject the lack of mental strength argument, because he's once again proven that he rarely buckles under pressure (that's the third penalty shoot-out for his country in a tournament that he went first and scored, 2011 Copa QF v Uru, 2014 WC SF v Ned, 2015 Copa QF v Col; even Maradona missed one at the WC in '90).

It's been a strange tournament for Messi so far, I thought he was impressive against Uruguay and Colombia (with the latter being by far his best performance so far), but not really effective enough. You can excuse all you want his lack of goals by other factors and in some cases you might have a valid point, but at the end of the day he isn't doing it scoring-wise (even though he's had the chances), but, even worse, also not really doing it playmaking-wise (with Pastore and maybe even Di María being at least as influential if not more). In 2010 WC, 2011 Copa and even last year's WC the common factor was always his playmaking influence. He needs to step up in the SF, because I feel like this is a legacy-defining (as far as his NT career goes anyway) tournament for him, coming off the back of a wonderful individual season (as opposed to last year and the WC in his worst form and shape since 2008).
 
A game like colombia-argentina, couldn't exist in premier league

This explain how hard can be for a foreign player to adapt to premier league.
 
[QUOTE="::sonny::, post: 17697385, member: 27610"]A game like colombia-argentina, couldn't exist in premier league

This explain how hard can be for a foreign player to adapt to premier league.
what was so special/different?

The refereeing, the way to play of Argentina: orrizontal slow passing + random verticalizations + players free to do what they want

Referee: let them to do what they want, it has been a street riot not a football game

Argentina: no one play in that strange way in England/Europe.
 
Uruguay file a complaint about Jara. Chile files a complaint against 7 Uruguay players. :lol:

Really? :lol:

I can see where they are coming from, our first 4-5 games of the qualifiers are all must-wins at home, we play them second. We are already Suarez-less for four, Cavani-less for at least one, if they get Godín/Jiménez out for a coouple it's three points in the bag against a direct qualification rival.

Difference though is the ref didn't include Jara in his report, while he sure as hell saw and dealt with Jiménez/Godín at the time.
 
I like how the refs don't take any shit from the overly aggressive players who seem to think they can push right into their face. Unfortunately 2 of 3 QF's have shown the more unpleasant side of South American football.

Argentina fully deserved to win last, but I thought they were going to end up having done to them what they did to Brazil at Italia 90. Ospina was inspired for Colombia, the double save from Aguero and Messi was stunning.
 
Referee: let them to do what they want, it has been a street riot not a football game.

That's how Copa games should be refereed IMO. Players have a go, emotions spill over, they go in hard... We like that, it's a man's game and never was the non-contact sport it is becoming.

I suppose you have to make up your mind on whether you don't like diving and playacting or you don't like crunching tackles even if they catch a player a bit here and there. I'll take refereeing like last night's over games riddled with dying swans and an obliging ref.
 
I like how the refs don't take any shit from the overly aggressive players who seem to think they can push right into their face. Unfortunately 2 of 3 QF's have shown the more unpleasant side of South American football.

What exactly is so unpleasant? That they care? That they are passionate? That they wear their hearts on their sleeves? And, as you say, refs are well drilled in it and won't get bullied anyway.

I find that far more pleasant than some of the bland disengaged shite many European teams serve us with over and over again.
 
What exactly is so unpleasant? That they care? That they are passionate? That they wear their hearts on their sleeves? And, as you say, refs are well drilled in it and won't get bullied anyway.

I find that far more pleasant than some of the bland disengaged shite many European teams serve us with over and over again.

Intimidating or attempting to intimidate refs non stop, constant play acting to try and get players sent off, dirty fouls that are aimed to damage and tactics like sticking a finger in a players arse, I don't find that to be good football at all.
 
That's how Copa games should be refereed IMO. Players have a go, emotions spill over, they go in hard... We like that, it's a man's game and never was the non-contact sport it is becoming.

I suppose you have to make up your mind on whether you don't like diving and playacting or you don't like crunching tackles even if they catch a player a bit here and there. I'll take refereeing like last night's over games riddled with dying swans and an obliging ref.

Thats how every game should be refereed.
 
It's been a joke how this tournament has been refereed. Reduces matches to a thug-fest when defenders are allowed to kick, foul, stick fingers up bums, and nothing happens.
 
What exactly is so unpleasant? That they care? That they are passionate? That they wear their hearts on their sleeves? And, as you say, refs are well drilled in it and won't get bullied anyway.

I find that far more pleasant than some of the bland disengaged shite many European teams serve us with over and over again.
You're from Urugay, right? Maybe you like that because your team is scrappy right now?

I don't see how this can compare to the CL, for example, which is properly refereed and fouls are properly called (in general). That promotes skill, whereas this is trying to level the playing field by allowing players to do whatever they want.
 
As a neutral fan, just went through the last few pages of the thread. Copa America is a tournament full of randomness, theatrics and passion. The last few pages gave me the same impression. There's just something about South American football, I guess.
 
I love South American football. They wear their hearts on their sleeves, players and fans are incredibly passionate and it usually leads to great entertainment
 
dream scenario : we lose to paraguay, avoid getting beat by argentina, dunga gets sacked and we hire ancelotti
 
That's why I love this tournament. Sure it might not be a tactical masterclass, but its highly entertaining.
 
Game 22: Brazil - Paraguay
Robinho starting for Brazil :eek::eek::eek:
 
That Brazil XI is literally what the feck. Worst Brazil team ever. Still would beat England though but for Brazil.
 
Intimidating or attempting to intimidate refs non stop, constant play acting to try and get players sent off, dirty fouls that are aimed to damage and tactics like sticking a finger in a players arse, I don't find that to be good football at all.

Intimidating refs is what you got from Keano, or from Chelsea, or from pretty much every big European side. What you have here isn't intimidation because players know refs can't be intimidated, it's just passions spilling over. I like passions spilling over, if the ref can't take it he shouldn't be refereeing. And this from a former international rugby player, I get the respect for the referee side, but they are different sports altogether.

Play acting to get players sent off happens everywhere, it seems you don't watch much CL football. I dislike it, which is why I prefer referees being less whistle/card-happy. I don't remember diving being a thing back in the 80s and 70s, hell, not even in the early 90s. Players got kicked more, sure, but did that stop Pelé, Best, Maradona, etc. being fabulous players? No, it didn't. In fact, I'd argue it made them better ones.

Fingers up the arse are gamesmanship. I don't like it, I prefer the verbal stuff (but these days you can't abuse anyone on a football pitch either), but it happens here and there. Either you take it like a champ (@Pat_Mustard) or you deck the fecker. Personally, I prefer Riquelme's way of getting sent off than Cavani's.

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You're from Urugay, right? Maybe you like that because your team is scrappy right now?

I don't see how this can compare to the CL, for example, which is properly refereed and fouls are properly called (in general). That promotes skill, whereas this is trying to level the playing field by allowing players to do whatever they want.

Right now? We've always been scrappy! Copa América, Copa Libertadores, South American football has always had that scrappy element and should continue to precisely because the quality on offer isn't the same as in the CL. Ever since European clubs started nicking any half decent player before they turn 20 South American football is doomed to be of much poorer quality, at the very least we can carry on watching feisty affairs. We like them, they make winnign all the more enjoyable. If you don't like it then wait for the CL to restart but get off your high horse telling us how we should like our football.
 
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(I'm not sure how high we got last night)

Nah, I'm sure @Marcosdeto appreciates that take. No issue with players getting called scum. We'd rather scum than sissies.

I don't think you guys understood the underlying issue with Marcos' frustration last night: non-South Americans have no business telling us how we should play football in South America. If you don't like it you can feck off as far as we are concerned. I don't see anyone having the honours that would suggest they know better.
 
Intimidating refs is what you got from Keano, or from Chelsea, or from pretty much every big European side. What you have here isn't intimidation because players know refs can't be intimidated, it's just passions spilling over. I like passions spilling over, if the ref can't take it he shouldn't be refereeing. And this from a former international rugby player, I get the respect for the referee side, but they are different sports altogether.

Play acting to get players sent off happens everywhere, it seems you don't watch much CL football. I dislike it, which is why I prefer referees being less whistle/card-happy. I don't remember diving being a thing back in the 80s and 70s, hell, not even in the early 90s. Players got kicked more, sure, but did that stop Pelé, Best, Maradona, etc. being fabulous players? No, it didn't. In fact, I'd argue it made them better ones.

Fingers up the arse are gamesmanship. I don't like it, I prefer the verbal stuff (but these days you can't abuse anyone on a football pitch either), but it happens here and there. Either you take it like a champ (@Pat_Mustard) or you deck the fecker. Personally, I prefer Riquelme's way of getting sent off than Cavani's.

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I never liked it when United players did it or when Chelsea do it, but at the Copa it's after practically every nothing tackle, and right up in the refs face, he'd be well within his rights to send most of them off immediately, that's not passion IMO, it's immature and a lack of professionalism.

I watch plenty of football, I know play acting exists across all leagues now, but it's been again a whole other level here, the extent of it is non stop and even more sleazy and devious than in La Liga, it just tarnishes the game which is shame given the talent on display.

I can't believe you are trying to find any justification for sticking a finger up a guys arse, Jarra should be banned from international football for a year, totally unacceptable period.
 
That's Paraguay fecked.

I'll laugh all the way to XMAS if Brazil win this without Neymar.
 
I don't think you guys understood the underlying issue with Marcos' frustration last night: non-South Americans have no business telling us how we should play football in South America. If you don't like it you can feck off as far as we are concerned. I don't see anyone having the honours that would suggest they know better.

This isn't a South American forum. If you don't like reading non-South American views then you can feck off as far as the rest of us are concerned. Nothing wrong with what was said last night.