City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024

HMRC, the government have the power to seize assets and banks accounts if there is evidence of corruption, that is why Abrahmovich had to sell Chelsea.
I’m aware of this but they can’t take tax payments for wages and salaries paid in the UAE now can they?
 
City will not make such bold move against everyone if they don't already secured some backing themselves in order not to be kicked out of PL. They will not make this amateur mistake.

Yep they've been pretty spotless so far, otherwise they might have racked up 116 charges. Not a mere 115.
 
I know this isn't how it works, but I'd love to see them bring in some witnesses for their defence. Maybe a cardboard cut out of the stock image business woman who is CEO of one of their biggest sponsors, or Pep with a sock puppet wearing a stethoscope.
 
I’m aware of this but they can’t take tax payments for wages and salaries paid in the UAE now can they?
I'm not 100% on the tax laws, however I think you are liable for UK tax if you are domiciled in the UK and being paid by a UK company.
My son works for a Swedish firm but pays UK income tax.
 
isnt this an admittance of guilt then? seems they've put a bigger crosshair on their back now.
 
Why don't all the other teams in the league just refuse to take part until City are dealt with and in a way which is equal to what Everton/Forest got for their charges?

My guess is a lot of other teams including ourselves bend rules and if we point the finger at City.....They could then say, "Well look what you've been doing i.e A, B and C"

Which nobodye wants.
 
I wish they would join the Saudi league, spend what the heck they want a nd win their next 50 titles.

But they know that has zero significance on a world level.
The only people who watch Saudi games from other countries are either Ronaldo fans or Ronaldo haters trying to downplay his career.
 
isnt this an admittance of guilt then? seems they've put a bigger crosshair on their back now.

It's definitely a deflection tactic.
Like a criminal being hauled into the cop shop and trying to claim the cops assaulted him on way.
 
Neville's morals are for sale. He went from criticising Qatar to doing a fecking advert promoting the hotels during the World Cup. He's an idiot.

Watched the 99 doc on prime and he doesnt seem liked by Yokey either. Who seemed the most intelligent, chill dude. I got the impression he thought Neville was not well liked just from his body language
 
Interesting to see the pasting they are getting on other fan forums. And not just Arsenal and RAWK …. Except Newcastle
 
I'm not 100% on the tax laws, however I think you are liable for UK tax if you are domiciled in the UK and being paid by a UK company.
My son works for a Swedish firm but pays UK income tax.
That’s not how the Middle East works as no income tax is paid on any wages/salary paid into that country. It would be very difficult to ask Mancini to pay 50% Uk income tax on 4 days work in their country where he was paid 5 million dirhams.

One, he would be paid into an account set up specifically for this reason and two, I doubt if the amount paid is even known to UK HMRC, it’s not as if Mancini and others would not have Middle East or European Bank Accounts (Swiss/Monaco) for this very reason.
 
It's going to be weird as hell seeing Sky and the likes ignoring all of this next season. It literally CANNOT be ignored. Makes me sick to think they could win this. And they are planning compensation payouts as a result too!

Football (specifically the PL) is on a knife-edge at the moment. City gets their just desserts and we live to fight another day. City win, and the Premier League is dead.
If the tide turns then Sky will quickly turn and be the moral vanguard for football. They'll have Neville in a cape on the steps of Wembley giving a speech.
 
This is the scourge the league let in and bedded down with. Now, they’re trying to destroy the fabric of the game as we know it.

Let’s see how the media treat them for this. It’ll be the biggest indication yet that they’re in cahoots if they entertain this scandalous behaviour.
I imagine the media can't say much if its an active legal case.

But any fawning over that scumbag club by pundits or commentators needs to stop.
 
Why don't all the other teams in the league just refuse to take part until City are dealt with and in a way which is equal to what Everton/Forest got for their charges?

My guess is a lot of other teams including ourselves bend rules and if we point the finger at City.....They could then say, "Well look what you've been doing i.e A, B and C"

Which nobodye wants.

It's about money. Make some sort of stand and refuse to play and sponsors and the league will hold money back.
Money needed to pay players who would still need paying etc.

Make no bones about it, other clubs will think the same as wedo about City but they're probably told not to comment in the same way we are on forums about live cases.
 
Watched the 99 doc on prime and he doesnt seem liked by Yokey either. Who seemed the most intelligent, chill dude. I got the impression he thought Neville was not well liked just from his body language

Yep if such a erm morally strong character like Yorkie thinks he's a wrongun he must be.
 
If the tide turns then Sky will quickly turn and be the moral vanguard for football. They'll have Neville in a cape on the steps of Wembley giving a speech.

Nonsense. Neville won’t give his speech until a few minutes after the verdict
 
Can you imagine what it was like for City ownership & staff back in Leicester’s run? Know that they’re cheating like hell & it’s Leicester that’s making history.

Leicester were cheating when they won and when they were promoted 1st time, same as last seasons promotion in fact.
 
Matt Lawton says he’s pretty sure we are on the side of the majority.

Good to know we are probably on the good guys side.
 
Are there any of those petitions going on that have to be heard by parliament if they reach a certain number?
If there was one banning state ownership I’m pretty sure it would get hundreds of thousands at least
 
This feels like a Hail Mary by City. I'm genuinely starting to think they're f*cked, they know they're f*cked, and they're flinging sh*t at the wall in a desperate attempt to see if anything sticks.
 
Starting to fantasize about them being expelled from the league. Is that a possible scenario? Just get fecking rid of these serial cheaters?
 
It’s a start. If you just subscribe to the view people can cheat no matter what, what’s the point of posting here? Because whatever anyone says, it will be true that there will be a way around it.

That wasn't my point. The only reason it "works" in Norway is because we have agreements with a vast amount of countries in regards to sharing information about Norwegian customers, hiding cash in banks isn't as easy as it used to be. The same concept won't work in the case we are debating ref City players and state owners.
 
This feels like a Hail Mary by City. I'm genuinely starting to think they're f*cked, they know they're f*cked, and they're flinging sh*t at the wall in a desperate attempt to see if anything sticks.

Just the old 'Deny&Subvert' routine.
 
5 points deduction, slap on the wrist, promise to try to do better and they will move on
 
Can the various PL teams combine together to use their legal/financial resources? Do city need to be convicted first before the clubs could try a class action suit?
 
That wasn't my point. The only reason it "works" in Norway is because we have agreements with a vast amount of countries in regards to sharing information about Norwegian customers, hiding cash in banks isn't as easy as it used to be. The same concept won't work in the case we are debating ref City players and state owners.
Yes but as we’ve said City seem to have wanted to cheat regardless. I think it would work though, or at least deter more cheating, and also be quite interesting for fans if this happened.
 
Yes of course, it’s much easier for a state owned club but it’s possible for any owner to do this, often there’d be no trail at all to follow.

I appreciate that. I’m just not sure why they would want to?

What is the incentive for a typical owner to destroy the market in the manner City or PSG have done?

Most regular businesses, even billion dollar ones, are accountable to their shareholders. They still exist to make a profit and want to see value for their investments.

With Blackburn and Chelsea, we saw wealthy owners pump large amounts of money in to gain success - but neither broke the market to the extent it is broken now. Both had limits to their wealth.

Oil states have close to unlimited wealth, coupled with their own infrastructure through which to spend it unsupervised.
 


I'll give you a bonus point if you can spot the connection to those clubs.. apart from Everton, those fools are just pissed at the league.
 
It’s a start. If you just subscribe to the view people can cheat no matter what, what’s the point of posting here? Because whatever anyone says, it will be true that there will be a way around it.

But the answer to “how do we stop City cheating?”, can’t be “bring in another rule that makes it tougher than everyone else but makes zero difference to City”. Surely you can see that?

The fact there will always be a way around it is precisely the reason so many of us were adamant states shouldn’t be allowed to own clubs in the first place.

They let them in - it’s been proven that we were right and they cheated. Now it’s time to kick them out and if that can’t be done legally, it’s time to disband the league and start again without them.