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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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Serious question: if there was a GE do you really think Corbyn would win and if he did, would he win with a majority government?
Second part: if he did win, what would he do about Brexit?

I think there's too many unknowns to answer that. If they ran on a second vote then maybe with a coalition they win.

If there's a GE because of a confidence vote then those who had backed Labour in a confidence vote would i assume have to run as independents. They might end up as power makers.
 
Serious question: if there was a GE do you really think Corbyn would win and if he did, would he win with a majority government?
Second part: if he did win, what would he do about Brexit?
Course he wouldnt win, british people vote for the same shit they spend years moaning about and thats why i hope remain voting tory scum get the full force of any Brexit coming their way.
 
1. I think labour would loose
2. I think him plus the snp might be able to make a coalition
3. Whatever wee Jimmy cranky tells him as a condition of the coalition....obvs indy ref 2 as well

I think there's too many unknowns to answer that. If they ran on a second vote then maybe with a coalition they win.

If there's a GE because of a confidence vote then those who had backed Labour in a confidence vote would i assume have to run as independents. They might end up as power makers.

Course he wouldnt win, british people vote for the same shit they spend years moaning about and thats why i hope remain voting tory scum get the full force of any Brexit coming their way.

Personally I don't see him winning a GE but if there was one he would have to reveal his Brexit intention. I don't think his magical cake and eat it proposition will go down too well now. A coalition with the SNP would be funny and probably not go down too well in England.
If Tories backed Labour in a no confidence vote would surely be deselected for a new GE and other candidates selected by the Tories to run in those constituencies.
 
If Tories backed Labour in a no confidence vote would surely be deselected for a new GE and other candidates selected by the Tories to run in those constituencies.
no conservatives will back him - at best a handful might abstain
that said I caould see a few labour MP's prepared to vote on principal as Momentum have basically said they intend do deselect a fair few anyway.
 
WTF has happened to get us to here? Really?

This position will be used in politics seminars for years to come as how to betray everyone and bring down a country.

Spineless fecks to a man and woman!

Someone should stand up and say "in the interests of the country we should patently remain" and then propose a set of proposals to make our presence and say in Europe a stronger one! For far too many years we didn't know how to play the game and exiled problematic MPs to Brussels thinking we're getting them out of our hair when we should have been sending our strongest with a list of demands.
 
Serious question: if there was a GE do you really think Corbyn would win and if he did, would he win with a majority government?
Second part: if he did win, what would he do about Brexit?

He would not win, tories would, for the reasons I mentioned above.

Dunno what he'd do about Brexit, if he wanted power so badly and he thought that another ref would result in remain, surely he would back remain just to get in the hot seat. but i'm not sure there are as many remainers as some would like to believe.
 
So Sajit Javid as basically said business as usual after Brexit regarding immigration. That won't go down well with the xenophobes
 
A disgraceful performance from the Prime Minister today at PMQs. She's holding the country to ransom for the sake of a single achievement, which, in all probably, will completely feck over the entire country.

I understand those now who said they'd dance on Thatcher's grave.

This woman is a vile egotist.
 
He would not win, tories would, for the reasons I mentioned above.

Dunno what he'd do about Brexit, if he wanted power so badly and he thought that another ref would result in remain, surely he would back remain just to get in the hot seat. but i'm not sure there are as many remainers as some would like to believe.

I tend to agree with you.

I don't see a GE or a referendum nor what they would do to change the current position the UK are in.

100 days to go and I listen to Uk news and read the papers and they all seem to be sleepwalking believing that some miracle is going to solve the problems they face.
 
EU No-Deal contingency plan

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-6851_en.htm

European Commission - Press release
Brexit: European Commission implements “no-deal” Contingency Action Plan in specific sectors
Brussels, 19 December 2018

The United Kingdom will leave the European Union in 100 days' time.

Given the continued uncertainty in the UK surrounding the ratification of the Withdrawal Agreement, as agreed between the EU and the UK on 25 November 2018 – and last week's call by the European Council (Article 50) to intensify preparedness work at all levels and for all outcomes – the European Commission has today started implementing its “no deal” Contingency Action Plan. This delivers on the Commission's commitment to adopt all necessary “no deal” proposals by the end of the year, as outlined in its second preparedness Communication of 13 November 2018.

Today's package includes 14 measures in a limited number of areas where a "no-deal" scenario would create major disruption for citizens and businesses in the EU27. These areas include financial services, air transport, customs, and climate policy, amongst others.

The Commission considers it essential and urgent to adopt these measures today to ensure that the necessary contingency measures can enter into application on 30 March 2019 in order to limit the most significant damage caused by a "no-deal" scenario in these areas.

These measures will not – and cannot – mitigate the overall impact of a "no-deal" scenario, nor do they in any way compensate for the lack of stakeholder preparedness or replicate the full benefits of EU membership or the terms of any transition period, as provided for in the Withdrawal Agreement. They are limited to specific areas where it is absolutely necessary to protect the vital interests of the EU and where preparedness measures on their own are not sufficient. As a rule, they will be temporary in nature, limited in scope and adopted unilaterally by the EU. They take into account discussions with Member States and are in addition to the preparedness measures that have already been taken, as set out in the two previous preparedness Communications.

The Commission will continue to implement its Contingency Action Plan in the weeks to come and will monitor the need for additional action, as well as continue to support Member States in their preparedness work.

Putting citizens' rights first: right to stay and social security coordination

The Commission has consistently put citizens first throughout these negotiations and throughout its "no-deal" preparedness and contingency work. Today's Communication invites Member States to take a generous approach to the rights of UK citizens in the EU, provided that this approach is reciprocated by the UK.

In particular, Member States should take measures to ensure that UK citizens legally residing in the EU on the date of withdrawal will continue to be considered legal residents. Member States should adopt a pragmatic approach to granting temporary residence status. It is recalled that the Commission has already adopted a proposal for a Regulation which exempts UK nationals from visa requirements, provided that all EU citizens are equally exempt from UK visa requirements.

As regards social security coordination, the Commission considers it necessary that Member States take all possible steps to ensure legal certainty and to protect the rights acquired by EU27 citizens and UK nationals who exercised their right to free movement before 30 March 2019.

Sector-specific regulation

Financial services

After a thorough examination of the risks linked to a no deal scenario in the financial sector, the Commission has found that only a limited number of contingency measures is necessary to safeguard financial stability in the EU27.

The Commission has therefore adopted today the following acts:

  • A temporary and conditional equivalence decision for a fixed, limited period of 12 months to ensure that there will be no immediate disruption in the central clearing of derivatives.
  • A temporary and conditional equivalence decision for a fixed, limited period of 24 months to ensure that there will be no disruption in central depositaries services for EU operators currently using UK operators.
  • Two Delegated Regulations facilitating novation, for a fixed period of 12 months, of certain over-the-counter derivatives contracts, where a contract is transferred from a UK to an EU27 counterparty.
Transport

The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition.

  • A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU.
  • A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences.
The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions.

Customs and the export of goods

In a no deal scenario, all relevant EU legislation on the importation and exportation of goods will apply to goods moving between the EU and the UK. The Commission has today adopted the following technical measures:

  • A Delegated Regulation to include the seas surrounding the UK in the provisions on time-limits within which entry summary declarations and pre-departure declarations have to be lodged prior to leaving or entering the Union's customs territory.
  • A proposal for a Regulation to add the UK to the list of countries for which a general authorisation to export dual use items is valid throughout the EU.
It is essential, however, that Member States take all the necessary steps to be in a position to apply the Union Customs Code and the relevant rules regarding indirect taxation in relation to the United Kingdom.

EU climate policy

The Commission has today adopted the following acts in the area of EU climate legislation in order to ensure that a "no-deal" scenario does not affect the smooth functioning and the environmental integrity of the Emissions Trading System.

  • A Commission Decision to suspend temporarily for the UK the free allocation of emissions allowances, auctioning, and the exchange of international credits with effect from 1 January 2019.
  • An Implementing Decision to allow an appropriate annual quota allocation to UK companies for accessing the EU27 market (until 31 December 2020).
  • An Implementing Regulation to ensure that the reporting by companies differentiates between the EU market and the UK market to allow a correct allocation of quotas in the future.

PEACE Programme

The Commission has today reiterated its commitment to ensuring the current programmes between the border counties of Ireland and Northern Ireland can continue in all scenarios. Given its importance, the Commission has today made a proposal for a Regulation to continue the PEACE programme in Northern Ireland until the end of 2020, in the event of a no deal scenario. As for the period after 2020, the Commission has already proposed as part of its proposals for the next Multi-annual Financial Framework to continue and strengthen cross-border support for peace and reconciliation in the border counties of Ireland and Northern Ireland.

Other

The Commission has also adopted a Delegated Regulation on the listing of the UK in statistics on the balance of payments, international trade in services and foreign direct investment.


Next steps

The Commission calls on the European Parliament and the Council to ensure the adoption of the proposed legislative acts so that they are in force by 29 March 2019. The Commission also highlights to the European Parliament and the Council that it is important for delegated acts to enter into force as rapidly as possible. For Delegated Acts, the normal scrutiny period by the European Parliament and Council is, as a rule, two to three months (two months for the Delegated Regulation on summary declarations and pre-departure declarations; three months for the Delegated Regulation on the listing of the UK in EU statistics; a maximum of three months for the Delegated Regulations on certain types of contracts, including over-the-counter derivatives. For more information on the minimum timelines for adoption of such legal acts, see hereunder Annex 5. Delegated acts can enter into force earlier if the European Parliament and the Council both inform the Commission, before the end of the scrutiny period, that they will not object to the act.


Background

On 14 November 2018, the negotiators of the Commission and the United Kingdom agreed on the terms of the Withdrawal Agreement. On 22 November 2018, the Commission approved the completed Withdrawal Agreement. On 25 November 2018, the European Council (Article 50) endorsed the Withdrawal Agreement and invited the Commission, the European Parliament and the Council to take the necessary steps to ensure that the agreement can enter into force on 30 March 2019 to provide for an orderly withdrawal.

On 5 December 2018, the Commission adopted two proposals for Council decisions on the signature and conclusion of the Withdrawal Agreement. For the Withdrawal Agreement to enter into force the Council must now authorise the signature of the text on behalf of the Union and the European Parliament must then give its consent before being concluded by the Council. The Withdrawal Agreement will have to be ratified by the United Kingdom, in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

The ratification of the Withdrawal Agreement continues to be the objective and priority of the Commission. As emphasised in the Commission's first Brexit preparedness Communication of 19 July 2018, irrespective of the scenario envisaged, the United Kingdom's choice to leave the European Union will cause significant disruption.

Stakeholders, as well as national and EU authorities, therefore need to prepare for two possible main scenarios:

  • If the Withdrawal Agreement is ratified before 30 March 2019, EU law will cease to apply to and in the UK on 1 January 2021, i.e. after a transition period of 21 months.
  • If the Withdrawal Agreement is not ratified before 30 March 2019, there will be no transition period and EU law will cease to apply to and in the UK as of 30 March 2019. This is referred to as the "no deal" or "cliff-edge" scenario.
Over the past year, the Commission has published 78 sector-specific preparedness notices to inform the public about the consequences of the UK's withdrawal in the absence of any Withdrawal Agreement. These are available in all official EU languages. The Commission has also held technical discussions with the EU27 Member States both on general issues of preparedness and on specific sectorial, legal and administrative preparedness steps. The slides used in these technical seminars are available online.
 
I tend to agree with you.

I don't see a GE or a referendum nor what they would do to change the current position the UK are in.

100 days to go and I listen to Uk news and read the papers and they all seem to be sleepwalking believing that some miracle is going to solve the problems they face.
There isn't really a lot they can say I guess until that vote on the 'Deal' takes place. Only way to stop all this inaction is to have the vote and react on whatever the outcome is.
 
There isn't really a lot they can say I guess until that vote on the 'Deal' takes place. Only way to stop all this inaction is to have the vote and react on whatever the outcome is.

Yes but if the vote goes through then everything carries on as per the agreement assuming it later gets ratified etc. So no referendum or GE.
If it doesn't people are expecting a GE or referendum to solve the problem which I don't really see how they do.
 
The reaction to Corbyn is amazing... ffs the govt have done feck all on Brexit, there’s chaos on the horizon as we head towards No-Deal, but let’s focus on something 1 person may have said. cnuts.
 
Tory MPs, days after their party reinstated the whip to two people suspended over claims of sexual misconduct, suddenly very concerned about negative messages being sent to women.

Hopefully Corbyn gets the same punishment Spreadsheet Phil got.
 
Should have called her a stupid, dangerous, reckless cnut. Would be more accurate
 
This outrage is just...

F*ck Brexit. Just launch the nukes and reset.
 
Agreed with people in here, who cares what Corbyn said? There are much more important issues to discuss. They shouldn't even be getting a recess to be honest. They should be debating it this/next week so a vote can be had as soon as possible so that when the deal is inevitably voted down, we have more time to deal with the situation.
 
Yes but if the vote goes through then everything carries on as per the agreement assuming it later gets ratified etc. So no referendum or GE.
If it doesn't people are expecting a GE or referendum to solve the problem which I don't really see how they do.

GE solves nothing and IMO is the last thing we need right now.

Second referendum doesn't guarantee a different result.
 
Oh well, financial services is only 14% of our economy...

EU ‘no-deal’ plans for Financial Services: comment from law firm CMS

“There are no concessions for the UK financial services industry in this paper,” says Paul Edmondson, a financial services partner with law firm CMS. “The very limited temporary equivalence decisions that are being proposed are designed solely to protect EU financial institutions. UK firms need to come up with their own solutions, with no help from the Commission.”
 
I've booked some holiday so I'm not in the office on brexit day. I'm not dealing with the fallout :lol:
 
Nevermind the fact the outrage over what he said is hilariously overblown, but to add to it it’s the feckin Tories getting upset over it. The literal nasty party, who make it a sport to constantly heckle, belittle and mock others while lamenting PC culture, it’s these same cnuts getting upset over him muttering ‘Stupid Woman’ under his breath?! Oh do feck off. :lol:
 
Well there doesn't have to be a ref or GE if the deal is voted down, UK can just wing it alone.

Well yes, but there are a lot of MPs from all parties who look like voting the agreement down and at the same time saying no deal would never be accepted by parliament. Does not compute.
 
Is stupid woman even a sexist thing to say?!

Nah. Like when someone says 'stupid man', 'stupid boy', or 'stupid girl', all heard regularly, it's just a weird way of emphasising the insult.
 
I just remembered, I saw a speech May gave before she became PM the other day. She seemed so much calmer, more collected and confident than she does now. I think she was in her element a step down (not saying she was good, just comfortable), rather than in the limelight.
 
Nah. Like when someone says 'stupid man', 'stupid boy', or 'stupid girl', all heard regularly, it's just a weird way of emphasising the insult.

Yeah that's what I thought. Why are the Torys such a bunch of childish clowns
 
Only sexist when it's aimed at Teresa May, the Tories need their distraction right now

And so we'll spend a couple of days focusing on this instead of Tory infighting leading us to a no deal Brexit