The end of that article is infuriating. If they're actually still trying to get a legal end date on the backstop they're idiots. Exactly how many different ways can the EU tell them no?
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You know what... If the support for a second referendum grows enough she might just get the erg back onside for her deal... Plus a few labour leavers.
Not sure it will be enough to offset the dup and she might even have a few pro EU conservatives to keep in line but I think it's going to be a lot closer than it would have been last week
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If this means her deal gets passed - will this be Corbyn scoring an own goal? Perhaps he was right not to push for a no confidence vote all along...
His word is your bond.
Absolute fecking incompetence by Corbyn. This is becoming completely ridiculous. Demand a motion that the government have no duty to hold, and then look like an idiot by refusing to demand the stronger version because he knows damn well he can’t win it.
May must be laughing her ass off.
May must be laughing her ass off.
How exactly did No Deal not only become part of the conversation for Brexit and a real possibility but the preferable option for some. Surely no one who understands what it actually means and has nothing to gain from it would want the UK to crash out of the EU with No Deal?
Have any Politicians suggested withdrawing Article 50 and taking a more long term approach to Brexit?
At this stage with May's deal being so undesirable for most and no alternative deal with the EU being a possibility would it not be better to take the March deadline off the table and put plans in place to undo half a century of EU integration over like 5-10 years instead of overnight. It would also allow more time to try to find a viable solution to the border problem that would preserve the GFA.
Have any Politicians suggested withdrawing Article 50 and taking a more long term approach to Brexit?
At this stage with May's deal being so undesirable for most and no alternative deal with the EU being a possibility would it not be better to take the March deadline off the table and put plans in place to undo half a century of EU integration over like 5-10 years instead of overnight. It would also allow more time to try to find a viable solution to the border problem that would preserve the GFA.
Don't know about outlawing them completely but yeah if they are going to be used for decisions this important. Then they shouldn't be simple yes no questions in a hastily arranged referendum.
No because "just get on with it".
Are you suggesting he should have called the formal no confidence? People in here have been saying he should do it for weeks, it's clear if he had that he'd have lost and strengthened her further.
Because the psychopathic leavers and militant remainers have spent 2 years rubbishing any type of deal that doesn’t suit their own ideology. A total lack of responsibility from at least 90% of MPs and issue illiteracy from the other 10.
Stewart Lee put it eloquently.
“It wasn’t just racists that voted for Brexit, cnuts did. Stupid fecking cnuts”
No of course he shouldn’t. What he has done however just makes him look cynical and rather stupid. He has exactly one sensible move he could make, which is get fully behind a position and come out for it with everything he has. It’s too late for nonsense games and wait and see tactics. He’s playing high stakes poker and his hand isn’t strong. His demand for a new election just makes him look like he cares only about his parties ambitions and not about the country.
Corbyn needs to just come out and back a people’s vote and a second referendum and get businesses onside and ride that momentum. It is time to go to war - it isn’t going to be pretty but we can’t allow the Tories to control the narrative and let Brexit be carried out - it’ll take years to recover.
Whatever happens civil unrest is bound to occur - that is part and parcel of this situation - I expect mass scale rioting next year from either side but for the national interest it is better to get the right decisions done and then worry about the civil unrest later.
Whatever happens civil unrest is bound to occur - that is part and parcel of this situation - I expect mass scale rioting next year from either side but for the national interest it is better to get the right decisions done and then worry about the civil unrest later.
Yeah it's all so odd, the PM and politicians just going full steam ahead on probably the most complicated thing a country has ever tried to do with no real plan and a short (self imposed) timeframe.
And probably because they are more worried about their own careers and the future re-election chances of their party. Than they are about the country and people they are supposed to be serving.
Mourinho's gone, now we can get rid of Brexit 
Can't stand the term 'sheeple'. Seems to be used exclusively by 'sheetheads'.
While sheepheads watched their flock by night.
I think he believes his own words, but I've never known a politician so far out of touch with normal, working people.
I could see him living in a country mansion, and at night reading by candle light in those Victorian pyjamas with the funny hat, whilst the gramophone plays quietly in the background.
He then lets out a frustrated sigh as he remembers his man servant has retired to his room for the night, and he has to get out of bed to stop the gramophone himself.
I've said it before, he's like a politician from the 1930s who has been unfrozen from a time capsule or something.
IDS about the EU : "I think they are actually reacting in worry now. The truth is, you cannot have a plan A if you don’t have a plan B. Negotiation always requires that the other side believe that you will do something if this fails. And they haven’t believed that.
What they need to understand is that the UK has a plan to leave should they not agree a deal."
The EU are really worried the UK will shoot themselves in the foot, then in the knee, then in the.....
What they need to understand is that the UK has a plan to leave should they not agree a deal."
The EU are really worried the UK will shoot themselves in the foot, then in the knee, then in the.....
You can't write this stuff.
Apparently you can if it is dictated to you by IDS.
Presume these will be mounted troops, mounted on unicorns?
Ian Blackford, SNP leader at Westminster said:
"The leader of the opposition has become the midwife for Brexit"
"The leader of the opposition has become the midwife for Brexit"
Anyone read the latest Ivan Rogers speech on the whole debacle. Well worth a read if you have the time..
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2018/12/13/full-speech-sir-ivan-rogers-on-brexit/ (apologies for the Liverpool echo link)
TLDR version in the Guardian here
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-rogers-brexit-bombshell-digested-home-truths
I honestly can only see the process dragging on indefinitely after reading that. I can't see anyone wilfully letting us fall out without a deal unless they want their head on a spike outside the HoP and I can't really see anything being resolved in the next 3 months with all the party politics getting in the way of anything constructive coming from Westminster. Defacto can kicking is my prediction whether that means revoking Article 50 or via some other fudge.
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2018/12/13/full-speech-sir-ivan-rogers-on-brexit/ (apologies for the Liverpool echo link)
TLDR version in the Guardian here
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-rogers-brexit-bombshell-digested-home-truths
I honestly can only see the process dragging on indefinitely after reading that. I can't see anyone wilfully letting us fall out without a deal unless they want their head on a spike outside the HoP and I can't really see anything being resolved in the next 3 months with all the party politics getting in the way of anything constructive coming from Westminster. Defacto can kicking is my prediction whether that means revoking Article 50 or via some other fudge.
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Hilarious!
Yeah, that's pretty interesting. I wonder how much of the ignorance our politicians are displaying is willful - surely, they should know all this by now?
Good point and it's almost difficult to decide whether abject dishonesty is worse than pigheaded ignorance of all available evidence.
You're forgetting the people who think Scotland is there so the tories don't win every election.If ever a sentence summed up what pretty much the entirety of Westminster thinks of us.
Neither is forgivable, tbh. My guess is there might be full-on denial as well, especially among the hardcore Brexiteers. It seems more like religion to them.
Votes on alternatives before Mays plan
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46608952
I can see the logic as most probably no plan has 50% in parliment... Then she can present her deal last of all as an alternative to no deal in the hope it gets through.
To be honest though I'm not sure it's going to work and if any of the other options eg Norway gets more votes than her plan then I'm not sure what she does next?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46608952
I can see the logic as most probably no plan has 50% in parliment... Then she can present her deal last of all as an alternative to no deal in the hope it gets through.
To be honest though I'm not sure it's going to work and if any of the other options eg Norway gets more votes than her plan then I'm not sure what she does next?
Every time I see a clip from the commons they're all shouting over each other, childish cnuts, they're like those idiots in the classroom who are thick as pigshit so try showing off and interrupting everyone else.
In the words of Ali G. #RESTECP
Looks like a number of Tory MPs are now saying they'll side with Labour if the government goes full no deal. That's significant.
Just need Labour not to shit the bed and hold out on confidence motion until May passes her deal. GE mid February at this rate.
Just need Labour not to shit the bed and hold out on confidence motion until May passes her deal. GE mid February at this rate.
Serious question: if there was a GE do you really think Corbyn would win and if he did, would he win with a majority government?
Second part: if he did win, what would he do about Brexit?
1. I think labour would loose
2. I think him plus the snp might be able to make a coalition
3. Whatever wee Jimmy cranky tells him as a condition of the coalition....obvs indy ref 2 as well