Trade arrangements can be negotiated quickly. No one has ever said that "no deal" wouldn't present problems.
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Trade arrangements can be negotiated quickly. No one has ever said that "no deal" wouldn't present problems.
Nope, that doesn't work
How long did the FTA with Japan take?
If it's a few weeks then surely the contents of the backstop don't matter right?
Because the Uk has to abide by the rules.
Just imagine if the UK didn't pay what was due, nobody would trust them, I don't imagine May wouldn't pay. However if IDS or JRM were in charge I wouldn't be so sure .
There is no point to the EU except the original concept of trading partners (EEC). That's why we voted to leave
If the UK don't police the border any person can fly to Ireland and cross into the UK, wasn't the point of Brexit to take back control of our borders?
I voted in 1975 and that wasn't why I voted.
You do know tarrifs are ultimately payed by yourself, the consumer?
They do, but we don't want to follow their rules of good neighbourly conduct.
Look, a lot of these things you're saying are the same things you bring up all the time, and they are from a perspective that sides 100% with the EU and it's agenda.
It's like the EU is the ultimate wisdom in the universe to you guys. What they say is bible to you. There's nothing anyone can say to you if you are unable to imagine a world without the EU.
Do you see our country as weak and pitiful and unable to survive without EU membership?
It's like the EU is the ultimate wisdom in the universe to you guys. What they say is bible to you. There's nothing anyone can say to you if you are unable to imagine a world without the EU.
Do you see our country as weak and pitiful and unable to survive without EU membership?
No? Ok answer this one: How many trained, experienced international trade negotiators do we have in the UK?
We are much weaker without EU membership. That's a fact.
If the UK was in a different geographical position it would no doubt be in a similar alliance in that part of the world.
Where it is situated, which Raab has just discovered, means that it is significantly reliant on its close relationship with the other countries in the EU. It's not the tariffs that's going to kill the economy, it's the seamless transactions that flow between its close neighbours that are the most important. The UK are putting massive hurdles and I fail to see how it can possibly cope with these hurdles. And before you say it, a FTA is not going to solve that.
No. I think we can survive fine if the right provisions are in place. Quite evidently though a hard Brexit would be somewhat disastrous because we'd be starting from scratch in negotiating trading arrangements and would be crashing out without the right infrastructure to replace what we're going to be giving up and losing by leaving. That's nothing to do with being weak and pitiable - that's just what happens if you leave an organisation and don't prepare at all for life afterwards.
Yes...and the four freedoms were ratified in the Treaty of Rome.
We'll survive, but we won't thrive
Wait... I thought we made our own laws? Surely that's a point too...
It's seriously challenging to take posts like these at face value. I'd assume you're trolling if there wasn't serious politicians on the telly coming up with the same nonsense.
Listen to them.
I have. And they lied. They lie all the time and at every chance. They lie when they talk about Ireland, they lie when they talk about France. They lie when they talk about the EU and they lie when they talk about borders.
They want to take back control of their borders, but they claim never to be the one to put up a border in Ireland. They want to end free movement, electronically!
I wish I hadn't listened. I could have made so much more of my time.
There may come a time when the EU will cross the line with the most hardened remainers. It's interesting how far people would be willing to go before enough would be enough.
Globalists like Major and Blair make me nervous. Cameron and May are remainers, but nothing like those nutters. At least Cameron recognised the need for EU reform.
This is where you're going wrong. Don't believe them.
Even if you think the EU are spinning the debate from their own point of view, just ignore both the UK and the EU. Who else agrees with the Brexiteer's vision of how the border and the economy will work post-Brexit? Because it sure as hell isn't the international experts either.
What vision? They all have their own non-sensical “ideas” that would be unrealistic if written in a GCSE economics exam
Why do you feel so threatened by the EU? In the modern globalised world, all interactions involve give and take, particularly if you are an island of 70m in a world of behemoths like the US, China and India. Surely it’s better to be together with a neighbouring bloc of 500m, most of whom have broadly similar values to your own and in which you have a very powerful voice.
March 2013 negotiations started with japan for a FTA so about 6 years, but trade negotiations leading to the FTA started in 2002.
We really are a laughing stock. If Trump wasn't such an idiot we'd be the number one laughing stock!
Just because James wanted it all doesn't mean Scotland isn't an English colony ruled from London even if limited autonomy has now been given to back, like shiny beads as gifts to the natives. Wales was annexed again by England in the 15th century and we all know our disgraceful history in Ireland. United union my arse.
The irony is that we live in such a union yet many object to being in the EU entirely voluntarily.
Trump and the Mexican's pay.
Which isn't that unusual but it's the fact they then mock others for predictions backed up by the treasury, businesses, economists and do so arrogantly. Most discussion in here is backed up in some fashion or other.
No doubt this I'll be that unwelcoming leftists being mean to the right leaning nonsense
How dare you bring evidence and facts in to this.
Yet your Monarch is English and you are ruled from London. However, Scotland got there it is an English colony.
I was around. So what? And you know who else was around? The experts and decision-makers in the article who were far from enthusiastic about joining the Euro. Very different to how you described it.
Fairly transparent attempt at a dodge there.
Theresa May won't lead Conservatives into next election
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46547832
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46547832
Hardly surprising. It's jut to appease those who voted against her yesterday so they back off until Brexit is somehow resolved.
Looks like May has been told to go whistle by the EU.
Blair and Major are knobs. The EU is imperfect. Obviously. Any organisation of that size is. Nevertheless there is no viable plan which presents leaving as being better than remaining - only some which mitigate the worst of the damage.
We're ruled from London but have a say in who rules us to an extent that's roughly proportionate to our population. We had a Scottish PM a decade or so ago and have had some in the past. I'd say a colony is generally subjected to foreign rule; our rulers in the 1700s actively chose to join up with England because they thought they could get a lot out of it. I'm no unionist (the opposite actually) but we benefited massively from the union at the time.
That is one of the many flaws of democracy. The original intention of it has been slowly twisted after so many decades.
The elected few (whether in government or opposition) are to work for the nation and provide a voice for the electorate. They are not there to promote their own agendas.
There are current benefits to being in a Union, just like there are benefits to Britain being in the EU. I was really just commenting that the idea that a border of sorts in the North Sea not working because we are the or a United Kingdom doesn't really mean much.
The CBE recently published an economic forecast for all Brexit scenarios. It was all over the news about 2 weeks ago. You should look it up.