It will have the methods of leaving. Do you want to leave with this deal which is what the government has negotiated or is this not what you voted for? This ensures the whole country has a say in it and it does not exclude the 16.1m who voted to remain.
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It will have the methods of leaving. Do you want to leave with this deal which is what the government has negotiated or is this not what you voted for? This ensures the whole country has a say in it and it does not exclude the 16.1m who voted to remain.
Maybe also not do it on a work day. It's kind of insane we don't have voting on a bank holiday or a weekend like some countries do. I remember the last Brexit vote, ended up having to queue for ages and ended up late for work. Also there was a lot of delays at Waterloo due to the severe rain which may have impacted some people's ability/eagerness to vote.
The number of people who were eligible to vote in the referendum was around 46.5 million, so 17.4 million represents about 37% of the total electorate. That's rather more than typically vote for the party which gets to form the government (which probably is rarely more than 25% of the electorate). The turnout for the referendum was over 72%, so the number of people who voted to leave is greater than the number who could have voted but didn't (as indeed is the number who voted to remain).
Your statement is broadly true (it's nearer 27%) if you are including all the people who weren't entitled to vote in the numbers, but I'm not sure why such a figure would be relevant.
It doesn't do that at all in any logical sense.
Just get on with it.
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It is difficult that's for sure. How do you word it so as to be fair and not make people feel they are being fecked over.
Tories return the whip of a sex-texter, so he can vote for he vicar's daughter.
Not really - if it turns out that, contrary to the promises of leading Brexiteers, “leave” means continuing to follow EU laws (but without having a seat at the table when those laws are made), then some moderate Leavers may wish to have the Remain option.
Downing Street suggesting 165 votes for May would be a good result. Seems like classic expectations management to me, they must expect her to get more but would be quite hilarious if the ERG were on the receiving end of a decisive 52%-48% defeat...
Out of curiosity how would cafites vote if they were MPs?
Consider you have this WA in front of you and if it gets voted down, we could be getting no-deal Brexit, or a referendum (with unknown options), or a GE . Would you vote for it or against it?
EDIT: For the record, I would probably vote for it.
Consider you have this WA in front of you and if it gets voted down, we could be getting no-deal Brexit, or a referendum (with unknown options), or a GE . Would you vote for it or against it?
EDIT: For the record, I would probably vote for it.
So, as I have said, a referendum is way too blunt an instrument for something like this.
what time does shit start going down?
May addressing backbenchers in the 1922 committee any moment now, the vote will be held 6pm-8pm, result probably just after 8.
I'd vote for May's Deal. 100%. It's not as good as being in the EU but I actually think it has some potential.
I agree it’s ridiculous but, given the original sin of Cameron’s decision to hold the referendum, it’s difficult to dig ourselves out of this hole without going back to a referendum.
Speaking as someone from N.Ireland, who supports the Union but wouldn't vote for the DUP if you paid me - I'd back it over the no deal scenario. It actually benefits us in a way.
Obviously remain is the best option of all but we won't get that.
Boris absent from debates as usual. What a coward of a man.
I can see how it would too. Benefits of the EU without having to pay for it - because future relationship could take years. NI could become the Hong Kong of Europe
He doesn't need to hear it. His mind is made up.
I see that line being used by some remainers since 2016 arguing hey it never said what type of deal and suggesting a Norway deal for example or soft brexit. I doubt it.
Brexit is about leaving or remaining. People voting leave would expect to end FoM, stop being a net contributor to the EU whether it's £200-240m a month or £350m, an ability to do trade deals and not be under EU laws and jurisdiction and get back UK fishing waters.
I don't believe people voting leave were thinking of a Norway deal or some other soft brexit deal where we stay in this sacrifice that. Norway have FoM and pay 95% of the fee to the EU for example.
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I’d vote against it in the hope that, if we are still on the cliff edge in late March, there would be enough responsible MPs to avert disaster by voting to postpone Art 50. You can’t in good conscience reverse 45 years of integration, with the resulting enormous disruption, and make the UK poorer and less influential on the basis of a wafer thin referendum result influenced by outright lies and foreign powers.
Like it was made up before the referendum you mean, when he wrote two articles, one for and one against, until he decided which way to jump at the very last minute. He is supposed to be a prospective leader and should be trying to influence opinion, but whenever anything happens he becomes paralysed with indecision and disappears for days on end.
Looking at the beeb feed I think he's there with his brother now.
I would say he has probably drafted two responses and both are polar opposites. He will release whichever will lead to his chances of furthering his quest for power.
Agreed.
Whatever deal May could have brought back I don't see parliament agreeing to it. Labour will vote down any deal just trying to force a GE. And part of the Tories will never agree either. Never mind the DUp or SNP and the rest. Don't see how she gets the numbers to get any deal through. Btw imo Norway will be disastrous for the UK short of no deal.
You said it much more eloquently than I did!
If May wins and does so comfortably then her chances of getting her deal through increase. Boris will then need to swing in behind her if he wants to capitalise on the fact that she is probably be giving undertakings, right now, that she won't contest the next election as leader.
The party that backed May in this VoNC may not back Boris as leader if it becomes known he voted to oust her.
I don't think that Boris has declared his writing a letter. It is conceivable the he will actually vote for May tonight.
Are they fighting?
a true patriot!
Is it conceivable that we eventually get a Johnson v Johnson leadership contest with Jo winning? ALA the Millibands. Now wouldn't that be a
I agree no one voted for Norway (and why would you - it would be ridiculous for a country as big as the UK to be in that rule taker situation), but Leavers were constantly told that we could leave in the way you describe while having similar access to European markets as we enjoy today. No doubt a sizeable percentage of voters - some hardcore, ideological Brexiteers, as well as others who are unable to grasp, or too old, too alienated and/or too xenophobic to care, what a hard Brexit really entails - would still vote Leave if there was a second referendum tomorrow. But it’s disingenuous to assume that there is still 51.9% so exercised by sovereignty or fishing (0.2% of GDP!) that they are willing to plunge the country into chaos.
The problem with that is that the morons like Farage and the others didn't realise that staying in the single market meant keeping the 4 freedoms including freedom of movement and if they didn't, do you think the electorate did?
I honestly don't think the electorate knew what they were voting for. So to say they did is a bit foolhardy.
If only Dominic Raab and David Davis had taken a shot at the negotiations everything would be so much better!
Is it conceivable that we eventually get a Johnson v Johnson leadership contest with Jo winning? ALA the Millibands. Now wouldn't that be a
So long as the wrong Johnson doesn’t win, like what happened with the Milibands.
We got any bets on the number of Tory votes against May? I will go for a relatively sedate 78.
I agree that they had no idea what they voted for and still don't. I personally love the "No-one voted to be poorer" - unfortunately that's exactly what they voted for.
Christ, she can't even tell the truth about standing down before the next election.