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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Doing the rounds:

A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. But then the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom.
 
langster said:
Which nobody with any brains, or sense of decency would ever want. Only the mindless racist morons would ever be happy with something like that happening. Also, we should be there with them, standing side by side helping ensure it DOESN'T fail or collapse. We have let them down too, as well as ourselves. This vote was far more reaching than just the UK.
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Not so sure. The EU has become less effective as it has become more powerful... often the way. To survive it needs to go back to basics and all the officials in it do not want that. Would it be better for the people of the EU? Almost certainly.
 
Cheesy said:
He's still Prime Minister, though. Why's he still in charge of he has no intention of doing his job?
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I think he's doing the unprepared leavers a favour by giving them time to thrash down a plan
 
berbatrick said:
Your reasons for leaving (more direct control) are ok (though I disagree), there's no reason to defend or give credibility to the terrible campaign; a pack of misleading untruths built by liars.
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It did appear that no-one here was aware of those policies though, despite them being aired on a major news outlet.

And i'm just a bit tired of the superiority complex being displayed by many Remainers on this website, not to mention their hypocrisy when it comes to the deceptions adopted by their preferred campaign. The debate over these months was distasteful and at times intended to deceive, with both VL and StrongerIn stopping to blur the issues at hand. However if we do acknowledge that to be so, the suggestion for a re-run based upon a rival's lack of integrity, simply doesn't stand up.

I do recognise, however, that the perspective of individual voters will be different, as well as the context in which people viewed this decision. I always considered June 23rd to be the a fork in road, after which the country would be on a decades-long journey; others only view Brexit in the short term. I have lost thousands of pounds due to fluctuations in the markets, and at a time when i can ill-afford such, so people should not suppose that i have been immune from the consequences prevailing at present.
 
devilish said:
I think he's doing the unprepared leavers a favour by giving them time to thrash down a plan
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Also, had Cameron walked out last Friday, Mark Carney's reassuring words would have fallen on deaf ears.

Could you imagine tomorrow's opening with no Prime Minister and pretty much no Opposition, what with Corbyn losing like a dozen Shadow Cabinet members today? The market would look at that situation as Britain falling apart and cannibalise itself.

I doubt many people will be happy with this 'there is no plan' stuff, frankly. Investment depends on certainty and at the moment the only certainty is uncertainty.
 
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Nick 0208 Ldn said:
It did appear that no-one here was aware of those policies though, despite them being aired on a major news outlet.

And i'm just a bit tired of the superiority complex being displayed by many Remainers on this website, not to mention their hypocrisy when it comes to the deceptions adopted by their preferred campaign. The debate over these months was distasteful and at times intended to deceive, with both VL and StrongerIn stopping to blur the issues at hand. However if we do acknowledge that to be so, the suggestion for a re-run based upon a rival's lack of integrity, simply doesn't stand up.

I do recognise, however, that the perspective of individual voters will be different, as well as the context in which people viewed this decision. I always considered June 23rd to be the a fork in road, after which the country would be on a decades-long journey; others only view Brexit in the short term. I have lost thousands of pounds due to fluctuations in the markets, and at a time when i can ill-afford such, so people should not suppose that i have been immune from the consequences prevailing at present.
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Everything the Remainers said on this website is coming true and everything the Brexiters said is a downright lie - please live in the real world before it's too late
 
Xeno said:
Doing the rounds:

A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. But then the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom.
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Links?
 
endless_wheelies said:
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One of my 'friends' on FB posted that on my status. Suffice to say he has always been a bit of a knob anyway.

langster said:
Thanks. It's scant consolation but I hope our friends in the rest of Europe don't label all of us Brits the same. :( Please don't think all of us are as small and petty minded and scared of difference :(

I have been in tears over this, I am absolutely disgusted with the attitude and ignorance. The racism and xenophobia being reported is disgraceful and embarrassing and the gloating from (some of) the people who voted to leave is unbearable. But what is harder to take is the fact Gove and Farage have both come out and basically stuck two fingers up to EVERYONE! They admitted lying and have said that immigration wouldn't change, the NHS wouldn't get the extra funding, Farage even went one step further saying it could possibly go altogether (something he has been pushing for a long time) so they have really just put two fingers up to everyone who voted with them as well.

But it's not that that really upset me, it's what we have said by voting out, and what we will now be perceived as for voting out. We are being heralded by people like Donald Fecking Trump and Marine Le Pen, we are being held up and congratulated by right wing lunatics and have basically said "i'm alright Jack, feck everyone else" we have basically said we want to do it alone and don't want unity. I personally want MORE unity all over the world. At a time like now we should be working together as much as we can, especially with the rest of Europe. But no, we are ok, and want to go alone, and it's been fuelled by lies and hatred and by misinformed idiots. It's just very sad, and it's really upsetting.
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Great post.

TheNewEra said:
I'm actually thinking that Sturgeon could be a good candidate for next PM based on what's happened.
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Its getting worryingly close to that point, isnt it?
The big concern with any SNP candidate however is whether they would actually serve the needs of the UK properly, or just look to get the best deals for Scotland.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Do you not think it was sensible advice? Does leaving the UK to get independence and then giving it straight back up to join the EU which is in the worst shape of it existence economically and socially (which is only going to get worse) make any sense whatsoever?

What relatively prosperous economy in it's right mind would want to join the Eurozone right now?

The SNP is simply nationalism dressed up as social democracy IMO.

Scotland will have its independence one day I'm sure but we have more important business to be getting on with right now that doesn't include letting the SNP capitalise on the chaos to reach their end goal.

The SNP were offered full fiscal autonomy after the last referendum but rejected it. Ask the SNP why they rejected 'control'.
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Putting all that aside, as I'm genuinely too tired to have a proper debate about it, the main point I was making is that from what I was watching it's okay for the English and Welsh to vote out meaning the UK is split but we'd have to just have to accept it up here because of stability in the UK and working together? The woman that was in the audience said that it's time for Scotland to leave the independence issue and just get on with it. It seems totally hypocritical that Sturgeon and the SNP should just sit down and shut up despite the fact that a huge majority have made it quite clear that leaving the EU would be against their wish. Why therefore would it be unacceptable for the SNP to propose a referendum? It seems amazingly arrogant and the irony of such a suggestion seems lost on a lot of people.
 
Fallout 5: Brexit

You have to walk around post-Brexit Little England, shouting racist insults at foreigners and ethnic minorities.
 
Dante said:
Fallout 5: Brexit

You have to walk around post-Brexit Little England, shouting racist insults at foreigners and ethnic minorities.
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My Swedish girlfriend is playing Fallout 4 right now, she was not amused :P
 
Baxter said:
Putting all that aside, as I'm genuinely too tired to have a proper debate about it, the main point I was making is that from what I was watching it's okay for the English and Welsh to vote out meaning the UK is split but we'd have to just have to accept it up here because of stability in the UK and working together? The woman that was in the audience said that it's time for Scotland to leave the independence issue and just get on with it. It seems totally hypocritical that Sturgeon and the SNP should just sit down and shut up despite the fact that a huge majority have made it quite clear that leaving the EU would be against their wish. Why therefore would it be unacceptable for the SNP to propose a referendum? It seems amazingly arrogant and the irony of such a suggestion seems lost on a lot of people.
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Yea I'm with you on this, was thinking how ironic that statement was... A bit pissed off that no one pulled her up on it. No one got pulled up on quite a few things tbf...
 
Baxter said:
Putting all that aside, as I'm genuinely too tired to have a proper debate about it, the main point I was making is that from what I was watching it's okay for the English and Welsh to vote out meaning the UK is split but we'd have to just have to accept it up here because of stability in the UK and working together? The woman that was in the audience said that it's time for Scotland to leave the independence issue and just get on with it. It seems totally hypocritical that Sturgeon and the SNP should just sit down and shut up despite the fact that a huge majority have made it quite clear that leaving the EU would be against their wish. Why therefore would it be unacceptable for the SNP to propose a referendum? It seems amazingly arrogant and the irony of such a suggestion seems lost on a lot of people.
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It is unreasonable because you had a referendum a couple of years ago, a referendum that cost the UK economy billions. The world is in a state of chaos at the moment and the SNP want to throw more gasoline on the fire just to fulfil their nationalist agenda of getting away from nasty old England. Of course Sturgeon can make as much noise as she wants as is her democratic right but don't expect Westminster to cave into the SNP's opportunism.

I must make clear that I was referring to what the Tory politician said not the woman in the audience.
 
Just a small snapshot from France:
This weekend I've spoken with 100+ french friends and a dozen or so English friends in the area where I live
French reaction - are you going to have to leave (No), oh good, :) , oh these English tut tut,, well it might improve faults of the the EU with the UK leaving.
British reaction - absolutely furious, some very worried, some seriously thinking that they'll have to go back to the UK
 
Classical Mechanic said:
It is unreasonable because you had a referendum a couple of years ago, a referendum that cost the UK economy billions. The world is in a state of chaos at the moment and the SNP want to throw more gasoline on the fire just to fulfil their nationalist agenda of getting away from nasty old England. Of course Sturgeon can make as much noise as she wants as is her democratic right but don't expect Westminster to cave into the SNP's opportunism.

I must make clear that I was referring to what the Tory politician said not the woman in the audience.
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How much has this referendum cost? How much will it cost in the long run? The UK is in particular chaos in the long run. If the Scottish people want out and make it clear that there is a clear need for a referendum how is it fair that it wouldn't be allowed? The EU referendum was party politics largely irrelevant in Scotland that has spectacularly backfired. To say it would be unreasonable to call a second Scottish referendum is rubbish in my opinion. While the actual economics may make it unreasonable or silly to go for independent as you say, it didn't stop people voting out of the Eu. The SNP have almost 50% of the vote in Scotland. This isn't a meaningless party. To simply say don't expect Westminster to cave in is simply arrogant too.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
It is unreasonable because you had a referendum a couple of years ago, a referendum that cost the UK economy billions. The world is in a state of chaos at the moment and the SNP want to throw more gasoline on the fire just to fulfil their nationalist agenda of getting away from nasty old England. Of course Sturgeon can make as much noise as she wants as is her democratic right but don't expect Westminster to cave into the SNP's opportunism.
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They had a referendum that was won because Scotland was told in no uncertain terms the only way to stay in the EU was to vote to to stay in the Union.

Less than two years later they literally lost their EU membership BECAUSE THEY VOTED TO STAY IN THE UNION.

Anyone that argues that Scotland should should suck it up after voting to leave the EU because of 'democracy' or 'sovereignty' needs to stfu.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
It is unreasonable because you had a referendum a couple of years ago, a referendum that cost the UK economy billions. The world is in a state of chaos at the moment and the SNP want to throw more gasoline on the fire just to fulfil their nationalist agenda of getting away from nasty old England. Of course Sturgeon can make as much noise as she wants as is her democratic right but don't expect Westminster to cave into the SNP's opportunism.

I must make clear that I was referring to what the Tory politician said not the woman in the audience.
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And there has been a clear change of both opinion and circumstances since then. The promises of remaining within the EU during the referendum have been pissed all over, and support for independence is at its highest yet according to a new poll (above 60% excluding don't knows, and almost double of those voting No).

It's fairly clear you don't like the SNP: I don't deny they're a savvy bunch with their own self-interests, although Sturgeon's also regularly acted in the country's best interests and it's quite easy to see why we'd trust her ahead of the utter, utter fecking embarrassments in Westminster right now.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Just a small snapshot from France:
This weekend I've spoken with 100+ french friends and a dozen or so English friends in the area where I live
French reaction - are you going to have to leave (No), oh good, :) , oh these English tut tut,, well it might improve faults of the the EU with the UK leaving.
British reaction - absolutely furious, some very worried, some seriously thinking that they'll have to go back to the UK
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Just out of interest, did you actually get to vote?
 
Classical Mechanic said:
It is unreasonable because you had a referendum a couple of years ago, a referendum that cost the UK economy billions. The world is in a state of chaos at the moment and the SNP want to throw more gasoline on the fire just to fulfil their nationalist agenda of getting away from nasty old England. Of course Sturgeon can make as much noise as she wants as is her democratic right but don't expect Westminster to cave into the SNP's opportunism.

I must make clear that I was referring to what the Tory politician said not the woman in the audience.
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Leaving the EU is a massive change of circumstance for Scotland, I'm English but it seems massively unfair on them to drag them out of the EU just because they voted to remain a member of the United Kingdom at a time when it was a member of the EU.

This is our cock up, if they don't want to be a part of it that's their rightful choice.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
It is unreasonable because you had a referendum a couple of years ago, a referendum that cost the UK economy billions. The world is in a state of chaos at the moment and the SNP want to throw more gasoline on the fire just to fulfil their nationalist agenda of getting away from nasty old England. Of course Sturgeon can make as much noise as she wants as is her democratic right but don't expect Westminster to cave into the SNP's opportunism.

I must make clear that I was referring to what the Tory politician said not the woman in the audience.
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I don't understand you, you seem to think that Westminster should stand his ground against the Scottish but at the same time you think that the EU are not reasonable if they do the same thing with the UK.
Also didn't the Scottish stayed in the UK because they wanted to be member of the EU?
 
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bri2013 said:
Just out of interest, did you actually get to vote?
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I could have done as I have lived abroad less than 15 years but personally it wasn't really going to affect me, but in a way now I wish I had - even if it was just a token vote to demonstrate how disgusted I am to think so many people could take such a ridiculous decision , most of them had no idea what they were voting for - but I didn't think the Uk would be daft enough to vote out
 
Baxter said:
How much has this referendum cost? How much will it cost in the long run? The UK is in particular chaos in the long run. If the Scottish people want out and make it clear that there is a clear need for a referendum how is it fair that it wouldn't be allowed? The EU referendum was party politics largely irrelevant in Scotland that has spectacularly backfired. To say it would be unreasonable to call a second Scottish referendum is rubbish in my opinion. While the actual economics may make it unreasonable or silly to go for independent as you say, it didn't stop people voting out of the Eu. The SNP have almost 50% of the vote in Scotland. This isn't a meaningless party. To simply say don't expect Westminster to cave in is simply arrogant too.
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NinjaFletch said:
They had a referendum that was won because Scotland was told in no uncertain terms the only way to stay in the EU was to vote to to stay in the Union.

Less than two years later they literally lost their EU membership BECAUSE THEY VOTED TO STAY IN THE UNION.

Anyone that argues that Scotland should should suck it up after voting to leave the EU because of 'democracy' or 'sovereignty' needs to stfu.
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Cheesy said:
And there has been a clear change of both opinion and circumstances since then. The promises of remaining within the EU during the referendum have been pissed all over, and support for independence is at its highest yet according to a new poll (above 60% excluding don't knows, and almost double of those voting No).

It's fairly clear you don't like the SNP: I don't deny they're a savvy bunch with their own self-interests, although Sturgeon's also regularly acted in the country's best interests and it's quite easy to see why we'd trust her ahead of the utter, utter fecking embarrassments in Westminster right now.
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It is unreasonable to expect a referendum in the near future IMO. It isn't about democracy, it is about common sense. The smoke needs to clear before we make the world even more uncertain.

I don't like the SNP but do admire their savvy (or cunning) and audacity. No doubt they will fight to keep the £ again when they 'leave'.

The thing is that I don't like about the SNP and a lot of their supporters is that they are not honest enough to be straight and just admit it is about nationalism.

Joining the EU right now is frankly extremely stupid for a relatively prosperous country.
 
2ndTouch said:
Being part of the EEC means making payments to the EU the leavers promised to use for the NHS. People like to refer to Norway. Maybe should look up what the relationship between Norway and the EU entails...
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You're confusing what Farage and his cronies said with what I and many others think. This wasn't a vote to elect, this was a vote to leave or remain. I for one would be more than happy to pay into it and continue our relationship on a trade basis. For the EU to allow free trade will in everyone's best interest.
 
ivaldo said:
You're confusing what Farage and his cronies said with what I and many others think. This wasn't a vote to elect, this was a vote to leave or remain. I for one would be more than happy to pay into it and continue our relationship on a trade basis. For the EU to allow free trade will in everyone's best interest.
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There will be no free trade without freedom of movement.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
It is unreasonable to expect a referendum in the near future IMO. It isn't about democracy, it is about common sense. The smoke needs to clear before we make the world even more uncertain.

I don't like the SNP but do admire their savvy (or cunning) and audacity. No doubt they will fight to keep the £ again when they 'leave'.

The thing is that I don't like about the SNP and a lot of their supporters is that they are not honest enough to be straight and just admit it is about nationalism.

Joining the EU right now is frankly extremely stupid for a relatively prosperous country.
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Yes. The Scottish Nationalist Party aren't honest enough to admit its about nationalism. :wenger:

Why should the people of Scotland, who voted to Remain in the EU by a greater margin than England and Wales voted to leave, by bound by a decision that they did not make? It's so staggeringly, obviously, face smackingly blatantly un-democratic.

Besides, England just voted for little England, and I suspect if you polled Leave voters there'd be overwhelming support for Scottish independence in those areas of England. So its in everyone's interests.
 
JPRouve said:
I don't understand you, you seem to think that Westminster should stand his ground against the Scottish but at the same time you think that the EU are not reasonable if they do the same thing with the UK.
Also didn't the Scottish stayed in the UK because they wanted to be member of the EU?
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I think the EU should do what it believes is right for itself as should the UK. I hope we do everything we can to get the best deal possible.

I don't object to Scotland kicking up a fuss but I don't expect Westminster to be stupid enough to cave into them at this time.

I am pro Scottish independence, just not right now.

@NinjaFletch

That is where we differ. I don't think a referendum is in anyone's interest at this time.
 
Minimalist said:
It's like talking to a brick wall on this issue.

I'll give the leavers one thing: hell of an imagination.
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It will be entertaining to see their joy when they realise they won't be getting everything they want, especially the most important thing to them, freedom of movement.
 
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