Brexit: The BS Continues...
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The poll at the top is confusing as feck. Can't you just change it to what people think is most likely, summat like - 1) No deal before the deadline, 2) May's deal eventually gets through the Commons, 3) We have a general election, 4) We have a second referendum, or E)boue.
Another Davis quote from that:
"Everybody in the UK wants the hope of a better deal – and trust me, we can do this. I spent countless hours negotiating with EU counterparts"
It was 4
My main disappointment with JC is that the more you hear him speak, the more you realise he just isn’t particularly intelligent.
Feck me he’s a fecking cretin.Anyone seen Boris Johnsons '6 point plan to earn a better Brexit' ?
From The Daily Mail...
2 & 6 are my personal favourites. feckin clown.
Not at all happy that Eboue is actually alternative F in the poll.
Anyone seen Boris Johnsons '6 point plan to earn a better Brexit' ?
From The Daily Mail...
2 & 6 are my personal favourites. feckin clown.
And how do you separate the two exactly?
Brexit was born because of politics, Tory boy politics. Brexit is just a joke now, a political one at that.
I mean, come on Stanley we can't help it.
Oh look brexit is going terribly, who would have thought it. Oh wait.
I know it's not related and I don't have the full picture but it seems 500k people protesting against fuel price increases in order to promote green energy is a damning indictment of how hard it's going to be to switch from fossil fuels for countries. Have they done anything in France to incentivise driving electric instead or did they just hike fuel and go "come on lads, buy electric"?
I haven't closely followed it but as far as I know it's about reducing the use of diesel who is supposed to pollute more and was less expensive, it was also known for a while it didn't happen abruptly. As for incentives, people can get money if they switch to new cars that are less polluting and I guess aren't using diesel.
Lovely response. Unfortunately it is certainly not deserved by all of the employees, or indeed the rest of the town, that made up the 44% that voted to remain.
While I don't think he's necessarily anywhere near as strong as Benn and some of the other past prominent leftists, I do think he's fairly intelligent on issues which matter to him, and the inner-party workings we've seen and the general shift to the left behind the scenes within the party suggest to me he's a bit better at politicking than people give him credit for, even if it's not delivered tangible results.
The problem is that I just don't think he particularly cares about or engages with things that don't interest him politically. I've noticed on a lot of issues referring to Scotland - he occasionally makes minor slip-ups which don't matter massively but clearly come from someone who's not done their homework. For most of his time as an MP, that's been fine. He's been a backbencher in England, and so Scotland's mostly been a non-issue to him. Provided he's informed enough to vote on issues pertaining to us, I don't particularly care. It's unrealistic to expect MP's to have an immense interest in every area of the country, and some enter politics (from an optimistic POV) with the relatively noble goal of representing their constituents and not doing much beyond that. Again...if that's your goal as an MP, fair enough. Go for it. The issue is that now he's no longer in that position, and so has to at least look tangibly interested in issues that don't interest him.
I reckon Brexit's one of them. He's just not all that enthusiastic either way. On the one hand I suspect he knows a hard Brexit's not a goer because of the NI issue, and that a soft Brexit is the sensible but pointless way forward. By the same token though, he's traditionally been a Eurospectic, because Labour's left traditionally were, and the most neoliberal slant it has as an organisation clearly doesn't appeal to him. As a result he's not particularly passionate about it either way, and would rather focus on issues he views as important such as healthcare, education, transport etc. The problem with that, of course, is that a bad Brexit inherently hits every single one of these areas, and makes it more difficult for him to implement any of his future plans.
Could be off in that assessment, but it's the general impression I get of him. I reckon he'd much rather Brexit just wasn't an issue at all because either way he has to feint towards a side that just doesn't appeal to him in the slightest.
Well, If the most important decision in Uk of the last 40 years and will change the shape of the country for the next 40 (basically his lifetime) doesn't appeal him and can't get bothered, I don't know what is he doing in politics. Also, is great to work in only the things that you find interesting. Unfortunately, at work you need to deal with the ones you don't like and if you don't do a a good job, you are fired, specially if it is the biggest situation that the company will ecounter.
So no, if he can't answer a simple question about brexit or not know what is going on, he is not intelligent, because he should be intelligent enough to know that Brexit is important to swallow up and be knowledgeable of what he is not interested. If what you say is true, he is not intelligent and he is lazy. So I don't know how can hold a leadership position
Ah, the good old intelligent vs non intelligent argument returns
Spain threatening the deal unless Gibraltar isn’t included. Surprise...
So now Spain want a veto, are the Tories and Farage et al going to call them all sorts of names and waffle on in an exasperated manner about the "Spanish Question"?
Turns out if you keeping poking the bear it's going to get pissed.
I feel so conflicted. I personally believe in the union. But I hate the DUP and kind of enjoy May letting them down. But she’s incompetent and a Tory.
Oh who to root for here...
Oh who to root for here...
A Tory boy political joke which you have enthusiastically supported. Well done.
Spain always had a veto regarding Gibralta
Talks on Gibralta have apparently been bilateral however in the text if the draft agreement there are parts that apparently are at odds with what we had agreed with Spain?
My understanding they want a few words changed
But let's be honest many of the issues ref Ireland and a boarder will also apply to Gibralta and spain
A) The government resigns, someone else tries to form a government in 14 days.
B) A motion of no confidence is passed and there's an election
C) There is an impasse in parliament so a cross party majority could form to put the question back to the people / no deal or remain / which would destroy the leave argument and there would be a distinctive majority for remain nad we can get back to normal.
There is zero chance that there will be a no deal. There's not even 48 people supporting that, considering there has not been a confidence vote in May yet, let alone 300+.
Yep. He's a bigger snake than any of the Tories. He has no interests outside of his own Palestinian loving, tree-hugging, IRA supporting, Jew hating agenda. To even consider him as a leader of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is beyond madness.
The Black Shorts are holding a press conference:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ng-consequences-were-inevitable-politics-live
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ng-consequences-were-inevitable-politics-live
Im not the biggest fan of Corbyn but get a grip man. The state of this post.
There's a lot of misleading and selective language going on at the moment. I think we know A50 can be extended and rather than an agreed transition this is what a lot of them are referring to, they just can't state it as it's unpalatable
Cracks me up. They had wall-to-wall Brexiteers in every Brexit related cabinet post but they fecked it up and May and the civil servants had to step in. Now they cry foul. The wording on the ballot paper was in or out of the EU, nothing more. On the 29th March we will be out. They will have gotten their way. Two weeks before June 23 2016 every man jack of them would have taken Norway, Switzerland or May's deal and bitten your hand off.
Even if they get the 48, May will win and then where will they be?
Ok vote down Mays deal, fine, What then? No deal will be voted down too. So we could be back to square one with a 2nd referendum. Surely these dickheads can see that possibility now. They should put up and shut up.
From the Guardian blog on the ERG press conference - It seems we are back to the easiest deal in human history:
“Peter Lilley says the UK and the EU don’t have, and don’t want, tariffs after Brexit So negotiating a deal on that should “take 10 minutes”.
And regulations are the same too, he says. So negotiating a deal on that should be easy too.”
“Peter Lilley says the UK and the EU don’t have, and don’t want, tariffs after Brexit So negotiating a deal on that should “take 10 minutes”.
And regulations are the same too, he says. So negotiating a deal on that should be easy too.”
Damn right.
When Labour won in 1997, I thought the country would go to rat shit. However, I was surprised at how well they did over the next few years. Ok towards the end things went wrong with Blair and Brown but if there was a half decent centrist Labour party in opposition now with a cohesive agenda to get us out of this Brexit mess. I would consider voting for them.
I would rather crash out of the EU with no deal than have Corbyn as PM.
I feel you're sorely mistaken.
Neither of the two major parties want to go to a second referendum. Corbyn said so himself that he doesn't want one, and there's no challenge on his leadership of Labour. Tories are too split and they can't force a deal through. Changing PM won't help. Going to an election won't help because a) there's no time for a new deal to be negotiated and b) there's no realistic prospect of a new Tory leader running under a "People's Vote" banner. Never mind getting parliamentary majority
The state of affairs is that we're de facto crashing out with a no-deal because the government can't pass a deal and the opposition is happy to sit back and blame it on the government.
Yep. Jeremy Corbyn
A&B likely leave Labour holding the Brexit baby and having to deliver on their lies which would be impossible.
There's no real evidence that your preferred outcome of C would even happen. If the EU offer us anything less than returning to the EU on our old terms then I'd expect Leave to win again.
I'm really struggling to see the genius in Jeremy's tactics here?
Serious question:
Why do people say a "No deal brexit" would not go through parliament? Surely it wouldn't have to? It's the default now, if nothing else goes through parliament it will be a no deal brexit, without any parliamentary action to make it such...
What am I getting wrong here?
Why do people say a "No deal brexit" would not go through parliament? Surely it wouldn't have to? It's the default now, if nothing else goes through parliament it will be a no deal brexit, without any parliamentary action to make it such...
What am I getting wrong here?
...and the inherent dilemma at the heart of the Labour party has never been expressed so clearly. Labour are a party of the left, or are meant to be, but to appeal to the type of politics you describe as centerist above they have to move away from their traditional core demographic (cf. the rise of the SNP in Scotland partly based on consumption of disenfranchised left wing Labour voters).