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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Classical Mechanic said:
There was another Labour MP on BBC4 this morning implying that FoM will end but that Labour would strike a deal for access to the single market.

Absolute jokers and this is supposed to be 'new politics'. Seems the same as old politics to me, bare face lying to win support.
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I'm utterly fed up with politics. It's depressing that Labour are dragging themselves through the immigration gutter. What the feck can't Labour educate voters of the benefits of SM including FoM? Furthermore, he's misleading people.
Why does it have to stoop to Tory level? Feck all of them.
 
John Oliver on the series finale of Last Week Tonight used the unicorn analogy that I've been saying for nearly a year now whenever I hear people crying "but … what about democracy".

Well worth a watch if you can catch it. If not for that then just to hear the glorious Radio 5 Live interview with Rory Stewart (Min.of State) claiming that "80% of the British public support the draft proposal" then getting called on exactly where he got that figure from by the interviewer, backtracking and admitting "I'm … I'm producing a number to try to illustrate what I believe …" :lol::lol:
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Brexit DESTROYED by some Irish guy, as the Internet is wont to say nowadays...
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:lol:

That's so good.

Pretty much a polite argument of 'did you lads really think this would go any different? who the feck you do think you are?'

Even a good dose of sympathy in his voice to add insult to injury.
 
Silva said:
If they refuse an A50 extension and the electoral commission tells parliament to get fecked, parliament will pass May's deal with ease. If they give us an extension due to an upcoming referendum there's a good chance that the country votes to leave without a deal.
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The deal on the table is great for the EU, no interference from the UK and little disruption, getting more money, it could last forever.
 
This whole Brexit tragedy/farce is the result of politicians over many years refusing to engage in an honest dialogue with the electorate. Sadly the leader of the opposition is continuing that tradition. For all her many faults, Theresa May is at least now setting out the reality of the choices facing the UK.
 
MoskvaRed said:
This whole Brexit tragedy/farce is the result of politicians over many years refusing to engage in an honest dialogue with the electorate. Sadly the leader of the opposition is continuing that tradition. For all her many faults, Theresa May is at least now setting out the reality of the choices facing the UK.
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Totally agree, it's a shame the reality of choices were not made clear by all the politicians before June 2016. But they wouldn't have listened or believed it. Corbyn is still in fantasy land even now.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Totally agree, it's a shame the reality of choices were not made clear by all the politicians before June 2016. But they wouldn't have listened or believed it. Corbyn is still in fantasy land even now.
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Fantasy land, or just lying through his teeth? I really can't decide.
 
Adisa said:
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He inspires absolutely 0 confidence that he's a man who can lead the country and provide a viable alternative to the Tories. I can't think of a worse indictment of him than saying I genuinely prefer Theresa May to him. Which takes some doing because frankly I'm very strongly opposed to the direction the Tories are taking the country in, with their cuts to welfare, universal credit and the under-funding of public services in general. But I still think that's preferable to being ruined by incompetence.
 
MadMike said:
He inspires absolutely 0 confidence that he's a man who can lead the country and provide a viable alternative to the Tories. I can't think of a worse indictment of him than saying I genuinely prefer Theresa May to him. Which takes some doing because frankly I'm very strongly opposed to the direction the Tories are taking the country in, with their cuts to welfare, universal credit and the under-funding of public services in general. But I still think that's preferable to being ruined by incompetence.
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Yeah sure you are mate.
 
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MadMike said:
Which takes some doing because frankly I'm very strongly opposed to the direction the Tories are taking the country in, with their cuts to welfare, universal credit and the under-funding of public services in general. But I still think that's preferable to being ruined by incompetence.
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Continued Tory policy could end up fatally undermining the NHS. Can any Labour incompetence be more risky than that?
 
This Caf poll is more fecking complicated than the Brexit process
 
Kentonio said:
Continued Tory policy could end up fatally undermining the NHS. Can any Labour incompetence be more risky than that?
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Yep, certainly can for me. Also, NHS was actually one of the very few public services to (theoretically, based on last budget) receive a cash injection from this government. So it's not really the best example to be picking in the argument against Tory cuts, there's a lot of better ones. I'm not sure if Labour could guarantee more money for the NHS than the Tories just did.
 
MadMike said:
a) who is this quote from and is it credible (doesn't sound like it)
b) how exactly can they "engineer" a financial crash. Because my understanding is they can't
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To be honest I don't think it will take much engineering... Markets hate instability and there will almost certainly be a big sell off of £ and UK stocks
It's logical as their security will be downstairs by the credits agencies anyway and then funds who guarantee only certain levels of risk have to sell... But yeah no deal and that 2% drop in a couple of hours last week will look like nothing...
Owen Jones is a fecking idiot though so in fairness nobody with half a brain will listen to his drivel
 
sun_tzu said:
To be honest I don't think it will take much engineering... Markets hate instability and there will almost certainly be a big sell off of £ and UK stocks
It's logical as their security will be downstairs by the credits agencies anyway and then funds who guarantee only certain levels of risk have to sell... But yeah no deal and that 2% drop in a couple of hours last week will look like nothing...
Owen Jones is a fecking idiot though so in fairness nobody with half a brain will listen to his drivel
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I think you're confusing a downturn with a crash. Trump put trade tariffs on everything and the financial system didn't blink. I don't think creating uncertainty which causes a sell-off of the Pound that reduces its value by another 1%-5%, can cause a crash.
 


This is the worst bit in the interview. Another politician who doesn’t understand the fecking basics of the process the UK is already balls deep in. And not just any politician. The leader of the opposition. Fintan O’Toole was spot on with his accusations of “pig ignorance”. It’s appalling how badly the Uk electorate are being let down by the people who are supposed to be in charge here. Shameful incompetence all round.
 
MadMike said:
a) who is this quote from and is it credible (doesn't sound like it)
b) how exactly can they "engineer" a financial crash. Because my understanding is they can't
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You most certainly can. I wouldn't call it engineering but rather, doing nothing to maintain stability makes a crash inevitable.
The markets will crash if there is no deal. That is an inevitability.
 
Kentonio said:
Fantasy land, or just lying through his teeth? I really can't decide.
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There seems to be an idea of some cunning plan. I think he is completely incompetent. The only thing I can say good about May is that she has withstood tremendous pressure , Corbyn would have wilted.
Even Fox, Davis et co. realise they're never going to have the cherries.
Never mind his policies, as a leader I find him pathetic.
 
MadMike said:
Yep, certainly can for me. Also, NHS was actually one of the very few public services to (theoretically, based on last budget) receive a cash injection from this government. So it's not really the best example to be picking in the argument against Tory cuts, there's a lot of better ones. I'm not sure if Labour could guarantee more money for the NHS than the Tories just did.
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The Tories have been lying through their teeth about NHS funding for years. From the Kings Fund..

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Pogue Mahone said:
This is the worst bit in the interview. Another politician who doesn’t understand the fecking basics of the process the UK is already balls deep in. And not just any politician. The leader of the opposition. Fintan O’Toole was spot on with his accusations of “pig ignorance”. It’s appalling how badly the Uk electorate are being let down by the people who are supposed to be in charge here. Shameful incompetence all round.
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This is born out by just about every politician and his dog writing the deal off before actually reading it. All that says to me is that they are putting themselves before country. Taking everything into consideration what is on the table is as close to the limit of what would be available as it gets. May appears to be the only person that understands that.
 
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Honest John said:
So bankrupting the country is fine as long as the NHS is ok :confused:
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He's no more likely to bankrupt the country than the Tories. But if we're talking about recessions, yes I'd rather see Britain go through another recession with the NHS surviving, than not go through one and lose it, if that was the choice. People can survive some financial hardship, but moving the UK to a private heathcare model will literally kill many thousands every year.
 
I hink the chances of May's deal going through are higher than a second referendum.
 
Sweet Square said:
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I like Mason and wish what he was saying was true. His entire analysis is based on the premise that the idea we can pull away from Europe completely is a fantasy and people have realised this. But it's not true. The Tory base and a huge chunk of their MPs are still under that illusion.
 
Sweet Square said:
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I think this is where Labour are. They want a Norway arrangement. Too early to come right out and say that now. Better wait until the reality of crashing out hits. A Norway offer in a GE would pick them up a good few SNP seats. Some Libdem votes and a lot of 'Remain' constituencies.
 
Adisa said:
I like Mason and wish what he was saying was true. His entire analysis is based on the premise that the idea we can pull away from Europe completely is a fantasy and people have realised this. But it's not true. The Tory base and a huge chunk of their MPs are still under that illusion.
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I thought it was worth posting but yeah I agree with you.
 
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