That would be a FTA which no-one will get a vote on and would be negotiated after the UK have left, ie negotiations would start next April at the earliest. The UK having already left the EU.
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That would be a FTA which no-one will get a vote on and would be negotiated after the UK have left, ie negotiations would start next April at the earliest. The UK having already left the EU.
You really think St Jez wants to run Brexit?
Good luck with that reference.
Oldies know.
I know.
You better not call me old, kiddo.
The theme tune on the french version was absolute pants.
Current polling suggests there'd be a somewhat decent chance of us remaining.
Certain factors would work for each side in any hypothetical referendum. Leave would benefit from the argument that they won before, and that we supposedly just need to get on with it...in that sense Remain would have to fight hard to ensure they're not being perceived as anti-democratic or patronising to those who have different opinions from them.
At the same time though I do think there's a greater liking of the EU among those who want to Remain though because they've actually had to consider what the alternative is, and in that sense there'd perhaps be a more positive campaign as opposed to the defensive one Cameron and co mounted. I reckon the current uncertainty across the water would probably make the Northern Irish warier of leaving, and pure demographic shifts would benefit Remain too...old people skew more anti-EU than the young and even two or three years will have seen a lot of people who voted Leave pass away.
Again, all hypothetical's though.
"Daaa-llas, ton univers impitoyaa-able!"
For the non french speaker: "Dallas, your ruthless universe."
The Wording of the Question Would Probably be key to the result I think
So they (Mogg and his crew) are going to boot May out then? Seems that way from latest on Twitter.
Links?
Jrm hasn't posted since before pmq's
Then again, given what UK politics has been like in the last two years, expect nothing of the sort.
I think she will Get 50% of MP's and survive and then I think it's a year till They can challenge again
Brexit Studies will be an entire university course in the future.
How would this possibly play out with the timeline to get a ‘deal’ done?!
Whatever deal eventually gets put to the House of Commons will probably be voted through by the Tories. Not because they think it’s a good deal for the country, just to keep themselves in power. They know that voting down their own party's deal would fasttrack Corbyn into Number 10.
Brexiteers are crybabies. Lesson over.
Cabinet over - statement soon?
I always preferred Dynasty tbh.
Tel reporting that cabinet has agreed to the deal. Hard to pick the truth out from the fog of rumours tbh.
Mrs May is speaking now - she's saying there is Cabinet agreement.
(edit - she doesn't sound too thrilled, really).
Not surprised as Im not sure there really is an alternative but to agree it.
So deal agreed. Now we will see if the backbenchers make their move.
Are they publishing the text tonight?
She has to speak to Arlene Foster now. There's also strong rumours that there will be a vote of no confidence in her before the week is out.
Interesting she specifically mentioned it's this deal, no deal or no Brexit at all.
Hasn't seemed to acknowledge that as an option previously.
Hasn't seemed to acknowledge that as an option previously.
Yep, I picked up on that too. She's trying to scare both sides to support her deal with the fear of the other one getting their way if it's voted down.
She has to call DUP bluff and this is the moment - they will support a leadership challenge but whether that gets through tomorrow is anybody's guess. It certainly is very interesting.
Ah, you were ahead of the Guardian live blog.
I guess she knows it's a crappy halfway house that is far worse than what we had, but anything beats no deal.
The HoC will be lively tomorrow.
Surely the DUP have no say in a Tory leadership challenge? If the 1922 committee bring her down, it'll just be because 48 Tory MPs submit letters of no confidence and then the Tories will choose a new leader.
DUP could bring down the government as a whole through a parliamentary vote of no confidence, but I doubt they would want to risk a general election and a possible Corbyn government right now.
They can't vote but they will support it and will put pressure on MP's to vote for it.
Speaking as a (soft) unionist, I hope May just politely ignores the DUP (she seems to be doing so from what is rumoured to be in the deal).
People have been saying it since day one of the vote, N. Ireland didn't vote for Brexit. DUP and their position/issues are not representative of this country. If she caves in, she is simply after power and power alone.
People have been saying it since day one of the vote, N. Ireland didn't vote for Brexit. DUP and their position/issues are not representative of this country. If she caves in, she is simply after power and power alone.
Yes, I'm listening in France!
You're absolutely right, it's worse than we had, we'll have obligations to meet but no say in the rules - but there you go.
Her 'ignoring' them though has the potential power to bring down the government. I imagine she's calling their bluff - they may ultimately want a hard Brexit less than they do a Corbyn government.
I think so too. But then again, she's not dealing with the brightest lamps in the street.
True. From the start their approach has been bonkers - wanting a hard Brexit was likely to give better cause to Irish nationalism, but getting a special deal for them alone was going to cut them off from the UK and again help buoy Irish nationalism. Idiots.