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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Barca84 said:
There's a fair amount of that going on and every poll I've seen recently indicates a significant swing to remain. Comment sections? Hardly representative of the demographic. Try a pub in the Nottinghamshire coalfield and see what you find there. The problem is the pollsters and the gaugers of public opinion won't be seen there. Why do you think the Brexit vote came as such a shock to half the country and wasn't predicted in any polling?
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Yeah that's fair. But they must understand they get lumped in with the racists etc because they aren't being heard, and they are less visible than the loud ones on social media. Is the same with generalisations about Remain voters. People are just commenting on what they see, generalisations are shit and I agree.

It's fecking unimportant tho, if you know those people don't represent you and people you know or meet aren't calling you defacto racist etc based on your vote then what does it matter?

Your actions are whats important....
 
Fener1907 said:
No second referendum, please. Just let the feckers leave and be done with their self-importance.
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This is another point.

Even if there was a second referendum and the UK decided to stay, what sort of relationship would they have with the rest of the EU at that point? What sort of relationship would they even want?

British Euroscepticism didn't begin with Brexit and it certainly wouldn't end with Brexit's reversal. In ten years time would there be another push for Brexit? Would the UK try demanding concessions and further special treatment if it stays?

At least if the UK leaves there's clarity. The EU doesn't have to pander to a country that isn't all that keen on being a part of it and the UK is left in no doubt as to what "taking back control" actually means, for good or for ill.
 
villain said:
How is it not embarrassing?

A bunch of middle class Southerners upset that a democratic decision went against what they wanted.

I think for a lot of people Brexit is the first decision that has negatively impacted them directly, and they don't like it and want it reversed.
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I’m a working class northerner who doesn’t like my country playing into the hands of an elite looking to exploit the poor of this country through a series of demonstrably false lies. I don’t care if you’re embarrassed.
 
JPRouve said:
Never, that's the point of Politic and Legislation, it's a perpetual work in progress.
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Right. I imagine that the Farages of the world would demand a third ref if remain won a re-run, and it would then be up to them to create enough political pressure for that to happen. Doesn't mean a second would be in any way anti-democratic.
 
57% of Brits are proud of the UK'S colonial history. 46% think the colonies benefited from colonialism.
 
Fener1907 said:
No second referendum, please. Just let the feckers leave and be done with their self-importance.
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Valuable input. Maybe you've a perfectly good reason for insulting us? I know we can be difficult but we're one of 4 countries that puts the most money in the pot. I think we've paid our dues as we've gone along.
 
Ubik said:
Right. I imagine that the Farages of the world would demand a third ref if remain won a re-run, and it would then be up to them to create enough political pressure for that to happen. Doesn't mean a second would be in any way anti-democratic.
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He was talking about a re-run hours before the first referendum. The only good argument against it is about practicality and usefulness, the parliamentarians need to determine if there is a need for a plebiscite and also determine the appropriate timing. But there is no democracy issue, that's an extremely silly idea because after two years new informations are available to the public and it can only be done with the consent of the electorate's representatives. In reality if you were to respect your democracy, the first referendum shouldn't have happened, you are representative democracy not a direct one.
 
sullydnl said:
This is another point.

Even if there was a second referendum and the UK decided to stay, what sort of relationship would they have with the rest of the EU at that point? What sort of relationship would they even want?

British Euroscepticism didn't begin with Brexit and it certainly wouldn't end with Brexit's reversal. In ten years time would there be another push for Brexit? Would the UK try demanding concessions and further special treatment if it stays?

At least if the UK leaves there's clarity. The EU doesn't have to pander to a country that isn't all that keen on being a part of it and the UK is left in no doubt as to what "taking back control" actually means, for good or for ill.
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Excellent post. Although I can empathise with many of those people who marched over the weekend, something is fundamentally wrong between the EU and UK, and nothing is repairing the damage done in the last two years, at least not any time soon, and certainly not a reversal of the result.

oates said:
Valuable input. Maybe you've a perfectly good reason for insulting us? I know we can be difficult but we're one of 4 countries that puts the most money in the pot. I think we've paid our dues as we've gone along.
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I'm from the UK, but if that's considered an insult, so be it.
 
Fener1907 said:
I'm from the UK, but if that's considered an insult, so be it.
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I think labelling us as self-important feckers isn't complimentary but since you are one of us it'll pass.
 
Simbo said:
Many would argue that not having this vote undermines our democratic integrity. We vote all the time, usually every 5 years for a GE, however occasion sometimes calls for an unscheduled GE. This depends on circumstance and whether there is appetite for it in parliament and the general public.

To force this through because of a small majority one day back in June 16 in a non-binding referendum and say it cannot be over-turned no matter what because it is un-democratic, is un-democratic.

If the leavers care so much about democracy, why in gods name would they be against another vote? If Brexit is really what we want, it is what we'll get.
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Here! Here!

I'm getting really fed up of this get out. In a democracy, we vote to change things, even things we voted for previously. It isn't like we asking for Brexit to be abandoned without a vote. That would be undemocratic.
 
oates said:
I think labelling us as self-important feckers isn't complimentary but since you are one of us it'll pass.
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Well, I did jump on the "Irish granddad, one passport, please" lifeboat, but I resent the fact that it even came to that, hence the bitterness.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Agree but there was significant movement. Voters also left UKIP to get a referendum knowing that UKIP would never be in government any more than the LibDems would.
If I were still living in the UK, although a traditional Tory voter I couldn't vote for them now, I couldn't vote for Labour because of Corbyn and anyone else is a wasted vote. So glad I don't live there now.
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But you have said in this thread that youd have voted for cameron in 2015, if you had to vote.
 
Fener1907 said:
Well, I did jump on the "Irish granddad, one passport, please" lifeboat, but I resent the fact that it even came to that, hence the bitterness.
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Rats leaving sinking ship etc etc.. :lol:

I'd do it myself and I do have an option but it would be just so complicated and the way things are going that country will probably have left by the time I got it sorted.
 
Stanley Road said:
But you have said in this thread that youd have voted for cameron in 2015, if you had to vote.
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I said I probably would have done, I didn't even consider it at the time, I wasn't even aware there was a GE in the UK. I was not interested in politics.

I only became aware of Brexit when the pound started nosediving in November 2015 and I wanted to know why. Since then I've become fascinated at how such a large number of people set about destroying their own country through sheer gullibility and stupidity. The xenophobia is not a new revelation, just wasn't so open.

If I had voted in 2017 I would have probably voted Labour if Corbyn wasn't in charge.

Going back to your point on voting for an anti-brexit party. If people wanted to leave the EU why didn't they put the real pro-Brexit party in power, UKIP. That probably answers your own question.


JPRouve said:
And he once voted for Major, don't forget that.
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He lived just up the road from me. Other reason Neil Kinnock was the other choice.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
I said I probably would have done,
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Probably Shmonably. Despite the fact you were unaware of the election at the time, you were asked the question within the last year.

This thread has taken a bizzarre turn too. Comparing refs to GE's when at least wit a GE we get to sample what its like under another govt b4 theres another vote. Now people demand another vote before anything happened.
 
Stanley Road said:
Probably Shmonably. Despite the fact you were unaware of the election at the time, you were asked the question within the last year.

This thread has taken a bizzarre turn too. Comparing refs to GE's when at least wit a GE we get to sample what its like under another govt b4 theres another vote. Now people demand another vote before anything happened.
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And I've given you the same answer.

You're right with a GE you can change the government again within a few years, five max. You can't change what's going to happen with Brexit within 5 years. I don't think there should be another vote, there shouldn't have been a referendum in the first place. Although it's political suicide the government should call it off before it's too late.
They have nothing to lose though really, when people realise what they have voted for, the Tories are toast anyway.
But failing that do anything to stop the insanity even if it is another vote.
 
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Fingeredmouse said:
I’m a working class northerner who doesn’t like my country playing into the hands of an elite looking to exploit the poor of this country through a series of demonstrably false lies. I don’t care if you’re embarrassed.
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The ultimate issue being that those thunder turds that did lie don't even get reprimanded for it. Just makes our whole system a shambles frankly.
 
Stanley Road said:
Probably Shmonably. Despite the fact you were unaware of the election at the time, you were asked the question within the last year.

This thread has taken a bizzarre turn too. Comparing refs to GE's when at least wit a GE we get to sample what its like under another govt b4 theres another vote. Now people demand another vote before anything happened.
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It seems like leavers are worried a little that they're no longer the majority, I would have thought that having been lied to about all kinds of things, a normal fair and rational person would understand that public sentiment might change after that becomes apparent and if the majority of the country still wanted to leave, they'd vote that way again. Where as you seem to be of the Republican Senate ilk which is to force things through regardless of any negativity if it happens to be something that you personally want to happen.
 
Zarlak said:
It seems like leavers are worried a little that they're no longer the majority, I would have thought that having been lied to about all kinds of things, a normal fair and rational person would understand that public sentiment might change after that becomes apparent and if the majority of the country still wanted to leave, they'd vote that way again. Where as you seem to be of the Republican Senate ilk which is to force things through regardless of any negativity if it happens to be something that you personally want to happen.
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Listen mate, i really could not give 2 fukks. Brexit is the least important thing in my life.
 
Stanley Road said:
Listen mate, i really could not give 2 fukks. Brexit is the least important thing in my life.
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You have 2,000 posts in this thread, that's clearly not true. If they made a second vote, you'd be posting here about how it's stupid. In fact I'm sure you were saying that back when the vote happened and people started talking about it, even though your side themselves came out and said they'd push for a second vote if they lost. At least we're pushing for a second vote because your lot changed their minds when they realised they were lied to, rather than what your side said which was 'if we lose we'll just do it again'.
 
Reading some comments about a second referendum being embarrassing, I thought it was a caf thingy

Is really a thing in the brexit argumentary, now?

After Farage saying that they would persue a second one if they would lose?
 
Zarlak said:
You have 2,000 posts in this thread, that's clearly not true. If they made a second vote, you'd be posting here about how it's stupid. In fact I'm sure you were saying that back when the vote happened and people started talking about it, even though your side themselves came out and said they'd push for a second vote if they lost. At least we're pushing for a second vote because your lot changed their minds when they realised they were lied to, rather than what your side said which was 'if we lose we'll just do it again'.
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Actually in the original thread pre brexit i said id be surprised if leave won as i didnt think voters had the stones for change. As it turns out I'm half right, 2 GE later and the same shit in charge. Now, keep voting for the same shit and suck it up, i really do not care. You werent lied to by cameron, he promised you the ref and you got it, he did however lie during the campaign about real change and that he would still be there to lead if brexit was chosen. You know this situation is as much the fault of Tory voters as anyone else, until they realise that i cannot take their stance seriously, or that of the British public in general.
 
The negotiations were meant to wrap up last week so the UK and the EU 27 could go to their parliaments and ratify the agreements. If this keeps dragging the only options become to withdraw A50 or leave without a deal.
 
Stanley Road said:
Actually in the original thread pre brexit i said id be surprised if leave won as i didnt think voters had the stones for change. As it turns out I'm half right, 2 GE later and the same shit in charge. Now, keep voting for the same shit and suck it up, i really do not care. You werent lied to by cameron, he promised you the ref and you got it, he did however lie during the campaign about real change and that he would still be there to lead if brexit was chosen. You know this situation is as much the fault of Tory voters as anyone else, until they realise that i cannot take their stance seriously, or that of the British public in general.
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I didn't say anyone was lied to by Cameron? I'm not sure why that's relevant in any way. You're totally right, he didn't lie to us, but everyone on the leave side did with regards to the NHS, the free movement, the trade we were going to have, the impact on our economy, the immigration issues, the laws that supposedly governed us supposedly enforced by the EU, fecking bananas and pillow cases, that's what made people vote, and they were lies. It's hardly surprising that some of the people who voted to leave when they realised they were voting based on bullshit lies they'd been fed, changed their mind. If there is a second vote and those people who voted leave originally not vote remain then that's clearly the sentiment of the country. When new evidence comes to light, it's always appropriate to allow a reaction to that.

What we're seeing (in general, not with you) is those who are still voting leave for their own agenda, are basically reacting with "feck no, I was about to get what I wanted, feck that we were lied to, I want those muslims out of my country, feck off there can be no second vote, fecking remoaners" when they're conveniently overlooking that if it was the remainers, then the second vote would be exactly the same. It's their own side having changed their mind that would lead to a change in the second result, not seeing many leavers acknowledge or reconcile that.
 
Silva said:
The negotiations were meant to wrap up last week so the UK and the EU 27 could go to their parliaments and ratify the agreements. If this keeps dragging the only options become to withdraw A50 or leave without a deal.
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Indeed... I do wonder if the dup and brexiteers might vote down the budget knowing it would get rid of may and virtually guarantee leaving with no deal as there would be no negotiating for a month or so as they had a leadership election
 
sun_tzu said:
Indeed... I do wonder if the dup and brexiteers might vote down the budget knowing it would get rid of may and virtually guarantee leaving with no deal as there would be no negotiating for a month or so as they had a leadership election
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They want to maintain power after Brexit. They'll just do what they've being doing, kicking every issue down the line then kicking May out and letting her take the blame when no deal is confirmed.
 
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