I assume the silence from yer man from California is because he's off reading about the GFA and how the EU works?
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If the Brexit voters had done the same the UK wouldn't be in the sh!t it is now.
The response by paddy Kielty yesterday explaining the Irish border was brilliant
Lib Dem barely above UKIP
Lib Dems are a busted flush. I've voted LD before but the Clegg farce, Farron and his backwards religious stance, missing the most important vote on Brexit that they vowed to oppose... They might as well fold at this stage.
If the opposition wasn't led by a limp lettuce they wouldn't be.
Interesting pov from Mason as always.
Brexit has broken this country beyond repair imo. At the moment, we are ungovernable.
Brexit has broken this country beyond repair imo. At the moment, we are ungovernable.
Tories still ahead after 8 years of austerity.
Well they might be making a mess of it, but there's zero to suggest that Labour wouldn't just make the exact same mess given anytime they're pushed on Brexit they just fall back on offering similarly unachievable positions on brexit.
Labour's chance to prosper was to offer a coherent alternative. Doesn't help that Corbyn is never, ever going to attract remain supporting Tories either of course.
This isn't necessarily true - some of Labour's gains in traditionally Tory London areas last year suggests he's at least partially capable of winning over some fairly liberal Tories who disagree with him economically but can't stand the Tories continual veer to the right. Albeit that's probably being increasingly undermined by Corbyn's insipid opposition to Brexit.
Interesting in a way, but he is still just glibly saying things like this with no explanation of how the impossible will be achieved though.
True. Ultimately one side wants to either remain in the EU or in the customs union, while the other side wants to reduce immigration. These two positions aren't compatible with each other and aren't going to be.
Being just in the EEA does not solve the problem.
Labour's policy is to have the same benefits of the customs union and the single market, there's only one way, being in the EU.
He's worried about Brexiters getting aggressive while Remainers just sit back and let the country go to the dogs?
A soft Brexit is BINO.
But yes there are millions of other problems which will all be aggravated by any form of Brexit.
Gordon Bennett!
Yeah it really is. I guess there are more rich toffs in uk then i thought. Too many people that like low taxes and shit services. Some might call them idiots but not me.
There is an anti brexit party mate, the only party that seems to have lost points. Maybe people like brexit more than you think or cant vote lib dems because they cant vote for a party based on 1 policy.
When was the last time a Liberal party got elected on their own to head the British parliament, over 100 years ago.
There is another party who are anti-Brexit, just that the leader isn't. British politics need a complete overhaul.
But I was more criticising the journalist and the sleepwalking of the anti-Brexiters towards accepting their fate so meekly.
Tell you what though, if there is a poll this time next year if the UK leaves with no deal - I guarantee that Brexit would not lead the poll. People will have discovered what they voted for.
Sho’nough.
But it’s not as satisfying as staying in.Who’s yer man?
It is unsurprising to see Dobba whinge about about Blair's hypocrisy, rather than debate the matters at hand.
This is such a bizarre train of thought. Anti brexit party get no votes. Pro brexit party ahead in polls. brexit must not be important enuff for people, I cant think of any other explanation. Maybe you can enlighten me.
If you hadn't noticed 95% of Labour MP's are pro-Remain but because Mr Limp Lettuce doesn't like the EU if you vote Labour you are only voting for what the Limp Lettuce wants. The UK has the worst PM in living memory but somehow the Limp Lettuce can't even overtake her in the polls and as he's pro-Brexit as well, why hasn't he overtaken her? Even the majority of Tory MPs are pro-Remain.
It's wonderful how democratic the British system is.
You know and I know that the LibDems will never be the governing party in the UK.
I haven't even said that the majority of the British people don't want Brexit, I'm saying in a years time they will be sorely regretting it if they leave with no deal, which is what they supposedly voted for.
I tried to quote him in that post but couldn't remember his name.
It was the CA Vampire but he bit off more than he could chew.
Not my business but if you do a second referendum a lot of people will start to think that democracy is pointless. When you lose a vote in you need to accept it.
Those 700k can protest and walk all they like, walk to the border and let them out. The fact is this whole campaign is pushed by people with big money and fools buy into it, especially when you have a prime minister who didn't want it in the first place and clearly don't care all that much. This is the real issue. The way this is narrated, plays on peoples fears and many get desperate or opportunistic. These people are no foundation of any nation worth much of anything.
Pretty much this. If there is a second referendum leave will win again, the best option people have is to somehow force a soft brexit.
Bear in mind that it was an advisory vote. It was non binding.
Voting once on an issue doesn't mean you can never vote on it again. As the Leave campaigners made clear before the initial vote.
If enough has changed in the meantime to make a material difference to the decision then there's no reason not to have another vote. People can always vote leave again if they maintain it's the correct decision in the face of all that's happened since, or if they object to a second vote in principle.
The only question ethically is whether enough has materially changed since the first vote to justify a second.
That's true but a second vote should not be entertained. We either have principles or we don't. We've seen many attempts to change peoples attitudes and it's not the people that is rotten. People fought and died at war to protect their lands and their people and the nations have been invaded covertly by playing on empathy using media and various propaganda. The borders need closing. Illegals deported. And we need to make our own laws. And then we need to take back (somehow) the ability to create money. So yeah it was an advistory vote but the spirit and the feeling was that there was no going back. What we see now are organised groups funded by whoever....and many people are very weak to all the fear mongering that goes round.
People that promote false ideology do not care about nations. If a nation cannot make it's own money, when in the past it could - you have to know why that is because only an idiot would allow anything or anyone to have power over it. You cannot be in debt to anyone if you make money. It's an important question. Because if you vote to leave, we the people have no say...and even when we do have a say it seems to me, some don't want us to have one.
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actually i fought to give away my land and have immigrants make our laws
Absolutely no chance imo, I know a tonne of leave voters that after 2 years, have finally realised they were completely bullshitted.
It'd be 60%+ to remain in a re-vote.
Whether or not a re-vote is democratic or not... hmmm, not sure, I just know the uninformed public should never have been the ones making this decision. Fecking Cameron and the conservatives.
Stubbornness and bitterness in place of a semblance of knowledge and logic seem to be the main attributes leave voters have. It's why the Tories will stay in power, why so many voted leave, and it's why many still pretend both are a good thing. Hopefully if there's a second referendum there won't be as big a deal made out of it, so all the numpties that had zero idea what was going on won't bother. That plus those who finally realised what was happening (duh) should see us over the line.
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