He already has given you several examples. What on earth are you blethering on about?
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He already has given you several examples. What on earth are you blethering on about?
If people have been discussing it for months and they cant even give a simple practical example of the problem, then...
Answer teh fecking question above man.
What stops a Northern Irish company buying tariff free EU cars & selling them to customers Great Britain? Or vice versa.
And they did. I literally gave you a link to an article about it. As did @Classical Mechanic . Why are you ignoring the concrete examples?
Maybe we are becoming America... 
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...to-embarrass-may-over-high-powered-rifles-ban
Tory rightwingers seek to embarrass May over high-powered rifles ban
ERG members aim to stymie .50-calibre weapons ban to show strength before vote on Brexit deal
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...to-embarrass-may-over-high-powered-rifles-ban
Tory rightwingers seek to embarrass May over high-powered rifles ban
ERG members aim to stymie .50-calibre weapons ban to show strength before vote on Brexit deal
whats the point of any borders then, lets tear them all down. Free movement of people and goods everywhere. Revolution!!
CTA was pre EU. Still doesn't prevent a border, but allows travel without visa etc. Hopefully.
No, it goes to controlled with application of custom and homeland laws regarding foreign capitals, goods, people and companies. The best example is the paper that was published by the french senate this week, there is nothing new, just the simple reminding that without deals UK citizens, capitals, goods and companies become foreign and are under legislation regarding foreigners. For individuals the difference is massive but for countries and from a legal standpoint it's a simple translation from one column to the other.
Ok here is just one of hundreds of potential problems - lets say the UK decides post brexit to implement a points system for immigration and put strict controls on the movement of people from the EU into the country. Now you have thousands of Europeans coming over to Ireland, walking straight over the border into NI and as a result into the UK.
How do you ensure that the people coming in are the people the UK have said should come and how do you stop those who the UK do not want? You put checks in right? You perhaps want to put something in place at the border between ROI and NI that would stop people from entering until they have proven they are who they say they are and that the UK has determined they are legally allowed to enter.
Guess what, thats now checks at the border and impacts the free movement of people between ROI and NI, causes massive delays at the border (which until then had been a border in name only).
Now imagine this but with goods, etc. All of these are just practical issues that ignore the massive political and social impact this would have.
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Its funny because a no deal actually makes my life much easier from a work standpoint, making VAT software UK just becomes non-EU and everything is simple
A complex deal and feck knows what we need to do.Pretty sure that’s what is referred to as a hard border on the NI / ROI issue isn’t it JP?
I mean, it’s not North Korea / South Korea hard with a DMZ but anything other than the current soft border they have today is considered hard and will break the GFA.
CTA doesn’t exist any longer though and can’t if one entity is part of the EU and the other isn’t.
I might be missing something here but... The CTA does exist, unless you mean it won't exist post Brexit?
How about tell sinn Fein if they come to Westminster and vote through the brexit deal we will give Northern Ireland back
... No boarder... And not our problem anymore?
Probably not practical and could end in violent clashes... But meh that's the EU's problem then
... No boarder... And not our problem anymore?
Probably not practical and could end in violent clashes... But meh that's the EU's problem then
Maybe we are becoming America...
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...to-embarrass-may-over-high-powered-rifles-ban
Tory rightwingers seek to embarrass May over high-powered rifles ban
ERG members aim to stymie .50-calibre weapons ban to show strength before vote on Brexit deal
Should be a big outcry to destroy the MPs who do this. There won't be because it seems like they can get away with anything right now.
That's why I said "technically" in order to avoid confusion and make it clear that it's a legal border first. There are three types of borders, open, regulated(controlled) and closed.
Your location says you're from California, right?
Can you give me an example as to why there has to be a border between CA and Mexico?
Its funny because a no deal actually makes my life much easier from a work standpoint, making VAT software UK just becomes non-EU and everything is simple
Yeah, no deal makes things very easy from a legal standpoint.
I mean it doesn’t exist in it’s original sense (pre-EU) and won’t exist in a no deal post Brexit.
As an Irish man living in London, I have it on good authority that the CTA remains regardless of any outcome.
Something extremely important seems to have escaped a lot of people.
Although the Irish border is the biggest stumbling block because you can't have Brexit and maintain the GFA, putting Ireland aside for a moment, if the UK leaves the CU they are in deep trouble.
No FTA is going to resolve that problem either, and I beg people not to say 'Norway'
Although the Irish border is the biggest stumbling block because you can't have Brexit and maintain the GFA, putting Ireland aside for a moment, if the UK leaves the CU they are in deep trouble.
No FTA is going to resolve that problem either, and I beg people not to say 'Norway'
"The CTA is a long-standing arrangement between the UK, the Crown Dependencies (Jersey; Guernsey; Isle of Man) and Ireland. It has its origins in the 1920s and ensures that British and Irish citizens can move freely between and reside in these islands. The CTA is not reliant on membership of the EU, formed before either the UK or Ireland were members, but based on domestic legislation and bilateral agreements."
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...and-irish-citizens-if-there-is-no-brexit-deal
Ok, that’s interesting to know. I assumed like everything else it falls with the rest of the house of cards.
So basically UK & Irish people will be able to continue to travel & reside in these lands, however in a no deal Brexit they will have to go through border/customs checks? That right @Zebs?
Spot on.
And the irony of all of this is that Brexit was about "controlling the borders" allegedly. So from that point of view you would have thought the UK would WANT a border in place between NI and the ROI. Im sure people like Farage and Johnson deep down wouldnt give two shits if there is a border put up. No odds to them living in England.
But it is almost as though post referendum someone pulled out the GFA and said "Oh, hang on a sec....we might have a problem here".
A complete cluster feck that was never thought through properly from the start.
Nar, everyone knew & it was mentioned alot, along with the problems that it would cause Gilbratar, thing is, the majority of England & Wales couldn’t give a feck about Ireland & Gilbratar, sad but true.
This is the bit I'm unsure of. There definitely won't be customs/border checks for Irish/UK citizens as that goes against the CTA but I'm unsure how they'll separate the people on those flights from Ireland to UK who are neither Irish/British. I reckon it might be a case of there being a separate queue for Irish/UK passports at arrivals.
ERG members try to block police led ban on high-powered military-grade rifles, you know, the ones that can stop (destroy) a truck from over one mile away
"ERG" for those that were wondering, are the "European Research Group" – sounds pro remain but they are in fact Hard BREXIT faction of leavers who have business interests that will flourish if Britain comes out of the EU.
I'll leave it up to you to judge who has the country's best interests at heart:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...to-embarrass-may-over-high-powered-rifles-ban
"ERG" for those that were wondering, are the "European Research Group" – sounds pro remain but they are in fact Hard BREXIT faction of leavers who have business interests that will flourish if Britain comes out of the EU.
I'll leave it up to you to judge who has the country's best interests at heart:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...to-embarrass-may-over-high-powered-rifles-ban
The CTA is non binding, anything can happen depending on the nature of the deal or no-deal.
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Of course, but as it was brought in prior to either country joining the European Union and Tories giving assurances on numerous occasions that it'll remain in place regardless of the outcome makes me think it's unlikely to disappear over night.
"After March 2019 if there is no deal
If you are an Irish citizen you would continue to have the right to enter and remain in the UK, as now. You are not required to do anything to protect your status."
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...and-irish-citizens-if-there-is-no-brexit-deal
I will simply repeat it, anything can happen depending on the nature of the deal or no-deal. You know perfectly well that you can't trust politicians when they tell you what they are going to do in the future which is exactly what that notice do.
It would be hugely detrimental to them to not continue with it though. Not only does it create huge tensions between the two governments, it forces thousands of UK citiziens to leave their jobs/lives in Ireland. I think this government are a bunch of feckwits but I don't think they're stupid enough to mess with the CTA.
We'll see what happens though.
Wow.
Now talking about delusion...
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...e-constructive-since-soviet-brexit-comparison
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...e-constructive-since-soviet-brexit-comparison
ERG members try to block police led ban on high-powered military-grade rifles, you know, the ones that can stop (destroy) a truck from over one mile away
"ERG" for those that were wondering, are the "European Research Group" – sounds pro remain but they are in fact Hard BREXIT faction of leavers who have business interests that will flourish if Britain comes out of the EU.
I'll leave it up to you to judge who has the country's best interests at heart:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...to-embarrass-may-over-high-powered-rifles-ban
And there's that name Kate Hoey again. Why don't the lot of them just feck off and join UKIP?
Because they all need a pension before they feck off to retire in Spain and live off their share earnings.
Barnier on France Inter Radio this am
"But Brexit can’t be soft. It has innumerable consequences. It was chosen by the British. Were they well informed at the time they voted? They were not told all the consequences - even Mr Farage recognised that everything was not spelt out in the campaign."
- Barnier said that getting a Brexit deal was “possible” but would be “difficult”. He said the withdrawal agreement deal was 90% complete, but that it could still fail over the Irish border. He said:
- He said he hoped to conclude a deal “in a few weeks or a few months, as soon as possible”.
- He said the Irish border deal could block the entire deal. Asked if the deal could fail over this issue, he replied: “My answer is yes.”
- He said he did not know what would happen because the British political situation was so “complex”. Asked if he was convinced a deal would be done, he replied:
- He said a no deal Brexit would be “would be very serious, very difficult for all of us in the EU but much more grave for Britain”.
- He claimed that even Nigel Farage, the former Ukip leader, could not say how Brexit would bring actual benefits to the people who voted for it. He said:
- He claimed the British did not know all the consequences when they chose Brexit. He said:
"But Brexit can’t be soft. It has innumerable consequences. It was chosen by the British. Were they well informed at the time they voted? They were not told all the consequences - even Mr Farage recognised that everything was not spelt out in the campaign."
Trying to select which of these politicians is the most moronic is a difficult choice.
And what about those people driving or walking over the border into NI after freely entering ROI due to EU citizenship? Airports and Ports are easy to deal with - it's on the ground the problems start.
Are you a real person?