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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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buchansleftleg said:
People seem to forget that the GF agreement is an international treaty, agreed under international scrutiny between 2 nations whilst both were in the EU.

It required tacit approval from the EU for that reason, but they steered well clear at the time beacuse it was largely led by Clinton's administration with support from Major and Aherne for both sides.

All of these political heavyweights obviously didn't plan for the UK government making such a ludicrous move as threatening to leave the EU, knowing it would invalidate the GFA.

The EU quite righly points out that this hurdle could be overcome by allowing NI more autonomy and allowing them to remain in EU.

This option would also be requested by Scotland. This would leave England on it's own in Brexit, putting the burden of hard borders firmly onto the English.

So we would have to try and negotiate new trade rules across the world, having just demonstrated to the world that we will ignore treaties as and when it suits a small minority of lunatic fringe within one of our political parties.

I'm not into capital punishment but Cameron should be keelhauled around every inch of the UK coast for fecking up the country so much.
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The lack of consideration for Wales...
 
buchansleftleg said:
People seem to forget that the GF agreement is an international treaty, agreed under international scrutiny between 2 nations whilst both were in the EU.

It required tacit approval from the EU for that reason, but they steered well clear at the time beacuse it was largely led by Clinton's administration with support from Major and Aherne for both sides.

All of these political heavyweights obviously didn't plan for the UK government making such a ludicrous move as threatening to leave the EU, knowing it would invalidate the GFA.

The EU quite righly points out that this hurdle could be overcome by allowing NI more autonomy and allowing them to remain in EU.

This option would also be requested by Scotland. This would leave England on it's own in Brexit, putting the burden of hard borders firmly onto the English.

So we would have to try and negotiate new trade rules across the world, having just demonstrated to the world that we will ignore treaties as and when it suits a small minority of lunatic fringe within one of our political parties.

I'm not into capital punishment but Cameron should be keelhauled around every inch of the UK coast for fecking up the country so much.
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Tacit approval's a good one. Makes you wonder why anyone has parliaments and stuff.
 
711 said:
Tacit approval's a good one. Makes you wonder why anyone has parliaments and stuff.
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The EU isn't a country, it had and still has little control on internal borders and how member states interact in subjects that aren't within the EU's scope. The issue with the GFA is that the EU becomes de facto a party when the border becomes an external border.
 
Lol Jeremy "Man of the people" Corbyn going to produce a fudge at the conference.
 
JPRouve said:
The lack of consideration for Wales...
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Apologies to the Welsh. I did not include them as they largely were pro brexit whereas NI and Scotland were very pro EU. If Wales opted to stay in that moves the border camps to Holyhead maybe?

Isn't it ironic that NI wanted to stay in EU because they saw all the subsidies that Ireland had been given for roads etc over the years but they elect knuckle dragging DUP politicians who are anti evolution and want to return to an enforced day of rest for everyone and lock up the playgrounds on Sunday too!

You wouldn't write it as a farce as no-one would believe you.
 
Adisa said:
I've been very critical of him but starting to see why he's been avoiding it like the plague.
As toxic as brexit is for the Tories, it's even more toxic for Labour.
In terms of sheer numbers, Labour members want to remain but those that voted out are spread across many seats.
It's a pretty fecked up situation.
The sad part is Tory voters wo desperately want to remain, will never vote for Corbyn, no matter how desperate they are. The propensity of losing voters depending on how the party goes is still significantly on Labour's side.
Nationalism is a like a drug that corrods the brain. The fact that there are some Labour voters prepared to vote Tory just for brexit and regardless of austerity is a tragedy .
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Cheesy said:
Eh I dunno actually - the fact Labour won some fairly liberal Tory areas in London in the last election demonstrates there's room for them to pick up disaffected Tories who lean right but despise the more nationalistic elements of the party and who'll prop for Labour if need be, and if they've got a decent local candidate. Similarly there's an argument some Labour voters supported Brexit merely because they want change, and that Corbyn offering change, albeit of an altogether different kind, may allow some to remain with the party. There are still plenty of people out there who just plop for Labour no matter what. Albeit the party shouldn't allow room for complacency in that regard like in Scotland.
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My wife and I both voted Labour at the last election for the first time. While I don't care for Corbyn and think he'll be a disaster for the economy, my loathing of May, Boris, Gove, JRM, Davis etc and the party's lurch to the right has completely alienated me.
 


God these feckers drive me crazy sometimes! They really think factory workers in Rotherham or steel workers in Sheffield are sitting around demanding action on fecking Palestine? At a time when the country and it’s essential services are on their arses due to austerity? It’s no wonder people think politics doesn’t represent the real world..
 
Sassy Colin said:
You've gone down in my estimation :(
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The most important thing is Brexit. I voted Lib Dem at the last election for that exact reason. Whilst the two main parties have a policy of "We'll promise unicorns and deliver!" I will vote for someone else. If either of the main parties change their position to one where a second referendum with a promise that the status quo (i.e, remain) is on the table then I'll consider voting for whichever one promises that. I've voted Labour at every general and local election since I've been old enough apart from the last GE, but for me Brexit is a matter so important and it transcends normal party loyalties that until it's sorted I can't ever consider anything else when it comes to putting my cross on the ballot paper.
 
Kentonio said:
God these feckers drive me crazy sometimes! They really think factory workers in Rotherham or steel workers in Sheffield are sitting around demanding action on fecking Palestine? At a time when the country and it’s essential services are on their arses due to austerity? It’s no wonder people think politics doesn’t represent the real world..
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Oscie said:
The most important thing is Brexit. I voted Lib Dem at the last election for that exact reason. Whilst the two main parties have a policy of "We'll promise unicorns and deliver!" I will vote for someone else. If either of the main parties change their position to one where a second referendum with a promise that the status quo (i.e, remain) is on the table then I'll consider voting for whichever one promises that. I've voted Labour at every general and local election since I've been old enough apart from the last GE, but for me Brexit is a matter so important and it transcends normal party loyalties that until it's sorted I can't ever consider anything else when it comes to putting my cross on the ballot paper.
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Same.
 
Kentonio said:


God these feckers drive me crazy sometimes! They really think factory workers in Rotherham or steel workers in Sheffield are sitting around demanding action on fecking Palestine? At a time when the country and it’s essential services are on their arses due to austerity? It’s no wonder people think politics doesn’t represent the real world..
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I don't really get why the militant left care so much about the Palestinian issue. It consumes them. Don't get me wrong I'm fully on-board with the idea the Palestinians have been kicked in the bollocks over the years but I don't get why the hard left in the UK seem to view it as the most important issue. More so than workers rights, public services or anything else, which seems odd. It's not wrong for someone to have an opinion, even a strong one, on any issue. But @LeftyPete44 in his bedsit in Sidcup who sits there with his Palestinian flag on the wall viewing it as the most important issue for a UK government led by Jeremy Corbyn to address....I dunno it feels kinda odd.


I'm all up for freeing Tibet too but as a Brit with the current political issues we have, I'd struggle to think of it as a priority. And yet the Palestine issue seems to almost completely define the politics of @LeftyPete44 in his one bedroom flat in Skegness.
 
Oscie said:
I don't really get why the militant left care so much about the Palestinian issue. It consumes them. Don't get me wrong I'm fully on-board with the idea the Palestinians have been kicked in the bollocks over the years but I don't get why the hard left in the UK seem to view it as the most important issue. More so than workers rights, public services or anything else, which seems odd. It's not wrong for someone to have an opinion, even a strong one, on any issue. But @LeftyPete44 in his bedsit in Sidcup who sits there with his Palestinian flag on the wall viewing it as the most important issue for a UK government led by Jeremy Corbyn to address....I dunno it feels kinda odd.


I'm all up for freeing Tibet too but as a Brit with the current political issues we have, I'd struggle to think of it as a priority. And yet the Palestine issue seems to almost completely define the politics of @LeftyPete44 in his one bedroom flat in Skegness.
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The Palestine issue symbolises elitism and injustice. Anyway, they are allowed to focus on more than one issue. That tweet has Palestine as the 2nd last issue after the economy, housing and work related issues.
 
Sigma said:
The Palestine issue symbolises elitism and injustice. Anyway, they are allowed to focus on more than one issue. That tweet has Palestine as the 2nd last issue after the economy, housing and work related issues.
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Of course they're allowed more than one issue but it is strange how the militant left see it as our/their responsibility to find a solution. If someone ranked as one of their political priorities the drugs war currently undergoing in Colombia it wouldn't mean I was dismissing it as an issue, or suggesting someone couldn't focus on more than one issue at once, if I thought it was odd someone in this country considered that to be one of the most important political issues facing them.

The situation in Myanmar is bleak also, yet if it made it to the top issues discussed at the SNP conference I'd consider it a little odd and with reasonable justification, I think.
 
Sigma said:
The Palestine issue symbolises elitism and injustice. Anyway, they are allowed to focus on more than one issue. That tweet has Palestine as the 2nd last issue after the economy, housing and work related issues.
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You think it’s in the top 8 or for that matter top 20 issues that Labour voters care about?
 
Oscie said:
The most important thing is Brexit. I voted Lib Dem at the last election for that exact reason. Whilst the two main parties have a policy of "We'll promise unicorns and deliver!" I will vote for someone else. If either of the main parties change their position to one where a second referendum with a promise that the status quo (i.e, remain) is on the table then I'll consider voting for whichever one promises that. I've voted Labour at every general and local election since I've been old enough apart from the last GE, but for me Brexit is a matter so important and it transcends normal party loyalties that until it's sorted I can't ever consider anything else when it comes to putting my cross on the ballot paper.
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I considered this at the last GE. Then I was in a safe Labour seat. Now, I've moved to a Tory area. Would be helping the Tories if I vote Lib Dem.
 
Kentonio said:


God these feckers drive me crazy sometimes! They really think factory workers in Rotherham or steel workers in Sheffield are sitting around demanding action on fecking Palestine? At a time when the country and it’s essential services are on their arses due to austerity? It’s no wonder people think politics doesn’t represent the real world..
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And what's the odds on somebody saying something that oversteps the ihra guidelines and all of a sudden the focus is on anti-Semitism again...
 
Oscie said:
...@LeftyPete44 in his bedsit in Sidcup who sits there with his Palestinian flag on the wall

...@LeftyPete44 in his one bedroom flat in Skegness.
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@LeftyPete44 must be doing something right if he owns two properties.

edit: That Sidcup one bedroom is probably pushing twice what I paid for my 3 bedroom semi up here
 
Oscie said:
The most important thing is Brexit. I voted Lib Dem at the last election for that exact reason. Whilst the two main parties have a policy of "We'll promise unicorns and deliver!" I will vote for someone else. If either of the main parties change their position to one where a second referendum with a promise that the status quo (i.e, remain) is on the table then I'll consider voting for whichever one promises that. I've voted Labour at every general and local election since I've been old enough apart from the last GE, but for me Brexit is a matter so important and it transcends normal party loyalties that until it's sorted I can't ever consider anything else when it comes to putting my cross on the ballot paper.
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Does it not disappoint you that so few people voted lib dem at the last election? Obviously no one really had brexit as high on their priority list as you did. What makes you think a new ref, or 3rd or 4th ref will deliver what you want?
 
Stanley Road said:
Does it not disappoint you that so few people voted lib dem at the last election? Obviously no one really had brexit as high on their priority list as you did. What makes you think a new ref, or 3rd or 4th ref will deliver what you want?
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The two things don’t necessarily follow. You can still think Brexit is the most important thing but equally think the Lib Dems had zero chance of forming a government, especially with that idiot Farron in charge.
 
Stanley Road said:
Does it not disappoint you that so few people voted lib dem at the last election? Obviously no one really had brexit as high on their priority list as you did. What makes you think a new ref, or 3rd or 4th ref will deliver what you want?
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Not really. It was a protest vote, I didn't expect them to win. I don't think Brexit was really as big an issue at the last election as it should have been though. If it was held now on the eve of us crashing out I'd hope it would be more in focus. In June 2017, March 2019 seemed a lot further away.
 
Kentonio said:


God these feckers drive me crazy sometimes! They really think factory workers in Rotherham or steel workers in Sheffield are sitting around demanding action on fecking Palestine? At a time when the country and it’s essential services are on their arses due to austerity? It’s no wonder people think politics doesn’t represent the real world..
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:lol:Palestine>healthcare and education
 
Stanley Road said:
Thats just bonkers
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Not really. If the only candidate supporting Remain was the Bonkers Raving Loony Party guy, would you think that was a sensible vote to cast? The Lib Dems had zero change of forming a government. Should people in areas where it was a straight Tory vs Labour fight have wasted their votes, potentially handing the seat to the other side?
 
Kentonio said:
Not really. If the only candidate supporting Remain was the Bonkers Raving Loony Party guy, would you think that was a sensible vote to cast? The Lib Dems had zero change of forming a government. Should people in areas where it was a straight Tory vs Labour fight have wasted their votes, potentially handing the seat to the other side?
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So voting against principle acheived what exactly?
 
Paul the Wolf said:
There is no solution, Brexit was impossible from day one as was said before the referendum. All the problems pointed out are now appearing and most were evident throughout.
Norway may be the one of the best of a bad bunch but the biggest problem still exists which is no solution to the Irish border and no solution to the chaos at the ports and airports.
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“Brexit was impossible”. You are fecking mental Paul

Problem is many of our MPs have done the same as you. Throw their arms up in the air and cry, say it’s all impossible. You can be forgiven but you aren’t paid for it. Very sad
 
Steven Seagull said:
“Brexit was impossible”. You are fecking mental Paul

Problem is many of our MPs have done the same as you. Throw their arms up in the air and cry, say it’s all impossible. You can be forgiven but you aren’t paid for it. Very sad
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It's not impossible to extract the eggs from a cake but surely the onus on showing everyone how to do it is those who said it would be the easiest process in human history, not on those who pointing out it'd be bloody hard?

That's all Brexiters have.

"Just get on with it!"

how

"Get on with it!"

with what?

"Brexit!"

how do we deliver Brexit!

"Just get on with it!"

how about the Irish border?

"Yes, get on with that!"

how?

"Just get on with it!"


...makes you despair, doesn't it?
 
Steven Seagull said:
“Brexit was impossible”. You are fecking mental Paul

Problem is many of our MPs have done the same as you. Throw their arms up in the air and cry, say it’s all impossible. You can be forgiven but you aren’t paid for it. Very sad
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:lol: Loved the satire of a Brexiteer here, criticise everyone and offer no alternative and finish with a Trumpian quote.
 
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