Well this is interesting.
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They will still find a way to blame the EU.
Looking forward to @Chorley1974 response
You surprised?Lmao wow the paid Tory shills have infiltrated the caf
Heh.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/eu-referendum-uk-residents-vote-today.404633/page-8#post-18743860
And then only started to say 'I voted Remain or I am undecided' as a way in to attacks on every facet of the Remain argument.
Also that page is an amusing example of how Nick was wrong about everything. I especially liked his prediction that a post-leave vote Britain would shift towards the left.
Oh wow @Chorley1974 you've had a mare there.
Is he very unsatisfied with his life?
That's pretty funny. Really goes with what Paul said on the last page, so many blatant leave posters (not just here) who say "oh I voted remain originally, by the way, I swear. <reasons why they hate the EU>"
Doesn’t he literally admit in that post that he’s changed from remain voter to leave position?
Why not vote again after the deal is hashed out?
Isn't that the opposite? From leave to remain to leave.
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To be fair, back in July 2016 he described himself as 'Reluctantly in the Remain camp' so he's being honest. It's also fair to say however that he was never a solid Remain supporter even back then, so a switch to Leave isn't particularly surprising.
Moving to a leave position in light of all that is going on? 
Guess he must be buying the project fear narrative.
Guess he must be buying the project fear narrative.
Moving to a leave position in light of all that is going on?
Guess he must be buying the project fear narrative.
I won't talk for Chorley but I suspect that for some people it's not the project fear narrative that is upsetting. It's more the disbelief that the remaining EU members aren't acting like the scared creature that a lot of people expected, some people also seem to not understand that other countries have interest to protect that their own interest will always supersede the UK's particularly when the UK wants to distance itself from them. All of that leads some people to interpret the current situation as a punishment act by EU members when it's simply business.
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That as well. Which is equally stupid, imho.
Well yeah. Just not sure why everyone is acting like he’s committed the worlds biggest internet faux pas. It’s ok to change your mind the more you learn
Agreed. In fact it's more than ok, it's those that never change any of their opinions that are the dangerous ones. They're effectively saying they've learned feck-all through life.
It’s a fecking weird reason to flip flop though. Because he doesn’t like the way Remain voters talk about Leave voters. Just goes to show what a fecked up, social-media driven world we live in. People don’t care about the issues they’re voting about as much as they care about their online perception of the people inhabiting the two opposing camps. So strange.
Yup. Same in the US. I know someone who was pro-trump despite all the warning signs. His thing was how the “damn liberals” spoke
You are right, yet I can sort of see where he's coming from. Some of the Remain 'you're stupid, you're racist, you're uneducated, you're old, you think we still have an empire (really?)' stuff was, and is, hugely counterproductive.
Agreed it's made people double down on their beliefs in many cases.
It is counterproductive becauase it pisses people off so they stop listening to you but the idea that people would decide which way to vote based on being pissed off by people online - instead of based on their analysis of what the vote means for their country - blows my mind. Cutting off their nose to spite their face. Bonkers.
Again, you're right, but it's the way people are. And by people I mean all of us, just to a greater or lesser extent.
Agreed, disdain has never made anyone change his opinion. The problem though is that we are in a dead-end because people also don't want to hear about experts opinion or complicated answers. Following politics in several countries, the common denominator is that people want to simplify every issue that they face and they want short answers that are easily explainable and applicable. It is impossible to have a genuinely productive debate in those conditions.
I'm with Pogue on this, I can't relate. It's just being stubborn and either doubling down or reacting to something you don't like irrationally in spite of the consequences. Why is that okay or understandable? Maybe I'm slightly overstating it, I'm not sure.
Just don't get it. If someone tells me I'm wrong about something I don't just put my fingers in my ears and ignore them, I hear them out, sometimes even change my position based on it. I've done it on here loads of times. I can accept if I'm wrong.
If someone suggest I do something or don't do something, I'll listen to the reasons why. Not stubbornly double down and do it anyway just because I don't like what they say or how they said. It's deeply problematic imo and partly why we are where we are.... That's all I'll say on it.
Just don't get it. If someone tells me I'm wrong about something I don't just put my fingers in my ears and ignore them, I hear them out, sometimes even change my position based on it. I've done it on here loads of times. I can accept if I'm wrong.
If someone suggest I do something or don't do something, I'll listen to the reasons why. Not stubbornly double down and do it anyway just because I don't like what they say or how they said. It's deeply problematic imo and partly why we are where we are.... That's all I'll say on it.
Yeah, possibly. Although I think people who spend a load of time on Facebook (and Twitter, to a lesser extent) are much more at risk of choosing their vote primarily on the basis that they want to piss certain people off.
I don’t think that was an issue a generation ago. Although I admit they may have been voting based on similarly shallow rationales (voting the way their parents would have etc.)
I truly hate twitter. People only follow those they agree with, and then use their tweets to prove how right they were in the first place. Well yeah, they would, wouldn't they?
The voting the way parents did is interesting, I've heard this a lot on the cafe, what class were you born into, and what did your parents do etc. I'll swear in my day everyone voted the opposite of their parents. That might have been just us hippies though.
It’s not irrational to some people though. They think long term gain is worth some short term pain so the same arguments aren’t being listened to because most people already know, and accept it.
They see it as 1 step back and eventually many steps forward. A lot of people don’t seem to be able to grasp that and so they end up getting childish and calling everyone a blue passport wanker. That’s without even getting started on the real brexit fanatics
Actually, yeah, you could be right about voting the opposite way to your parents. Hard to know what influenced voters pre social media. Maybe, perish the thought, they made an informed decision based on their own understanding of the issues at hand?! That shit just doesn’t wash any more, evidently.
It was a vote of colossal magnitude and should never have been a simple question or a simple majority. Given the consequences there should have been at least a 55% minimum required to change the status quo.
Voting in a particular way just to piss off a section of people must be one of the most stupid things an individual can do.
People don't like to be belittled or made to feel stupid, even if they're demonstrably wrong. Even if it seems illogical, it's just how some people think.
There are many people who think emotionally rather than logically which is what has fuelled much of the Leave arguments.
What gain tho? What 2 steps forward?
Exactly, and it's stupid. Let's call a spade a spade.
That would be a rationale for being pro-Brexit from day one. And I can sort of understand that. Tear the whole thing down and start again. All the more tempting when you haven’t got a lot to lose.
It’s the idea that someone might think staying in the EU is the best for their country, only to flip to Leave because they don’t like the way people talk about Leave voters that seems crazy.
This isn't a real phenomenon. The closest thing is a protest vote, which is a legitimate part of democracy.
I also find the argument that you've changed your mind because of how the EU is treating us in negotiations, silly. You were told before hand that this is exactly how negotiations would go. So why get upset?
I'm 7 years off retirement. For the first time in my life I am solvent. The Company I work for is doing well.
For selfish reasons and for the sake of the 40 employees I represent... I bloody well don't want to take one step back.
For selfish reasons and for the sake of the 40 employees I represent... I bloody well don't want to take one step back.
That's what some have described over the last couple of pages. Don't know anyone that votes like that personally.