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Well this is interesting.
They will still find a way to blame the EU.Why blame your own ineptitude when you can pin it on the EU? That's it in a nutshell for me and has been a consistent mantra in UK politics for decades. That aint gonna wash after next March though when the scapegoat is gone.
Looking forward to @Chorley1974 responseShould have kept insisting.
Should have kept insisting.
You surprised?Lmao wow the paid Tory shills have infiltrated the caf
Should have kept insisting.
I'm voting for out. We will trade with Europe regardless of being in the EU, we can still remain in the EEA. We get royally screwed as a net contributor to the EU, and uncontrolled immigration from the EU is an issue.
Is he very unsatisfied with his life?Reminds of a crazy relative I have who is always against experts. Whenever one is on TV making a point he immediately distrusts him/her and takes the opposite opinion. Last one was the old "vaccinations cause autism" bs. "All these experts were so quick to come out against it, there must be something to it", he said.
Doesn’t he literally admit in that post that he’s changed from remain voter to leave position?
Doesn’t he literally admit in that post that he’s changed from remain voter to leave position?
Moving to a leave position in light of all that is going on?
Guess he must be buying the project fear narrative.
That as well. Which is equally stupid, imho.I won't talk for Chorley but I suspect that for some people it's not the project fear narrative that is upsetting. It's more the disbelief that the remaining EU members aren't acting like the scarred creature that a lot of people expected, some people also seem to not understand that other countries have interest to protect that their own interest will always supersede the UK's particularly when the UK wants to distance itself from them. All of that leads some people to interpret the current situation as a punishment act by EU members when it's simply business.
To be fair, back in July 2016 he described himself as 'Reluctantly in the Remain camp' so he's being honest. It's also fair to say however that he was never a solid Remain supporter even back then, so a switch to Leave isn't particularly surprising.
Agreed. In fact it's more than ok, it's those that never change any of their opinions that are the dangerous ones. They're effectively saying they've learned feck-all through life.Well yeah. Just not sure why everyone is acting like he’s committed the worlds biggest internet faux pas. It’s ok to change your mind the more you learn
Yup. Same in the US. I know someone who was pro-trump despite all the warning signs. His thing was how the “damn liberals” spokeIt’s a fecking weird reason to flip flop though. Because he doesn’t like the way Remain voters talk about Leave voters. Just goes to show what a fecked up, social-media driven world we live in. People don’t care about the issues they’re voting about as much as they care about their online perception of the people inhabiting the two opposing camps. So strange.
You are right, yet I can sort of see where he's coming from. Some of the Remain 'you're stupid, you're racist, you're uneducated, you're old, you think we still have an empire (really?)' stuff was, and is, hugely counterproductive.It’s a fecking weird reason to flip flop though. Because he doesn’t like the way Remain voters talk about Leave voters. Just goes to show what a fecked up, social-media driven world we live in. People don’t care about the issues they’re voting about as much as they care about their online perception of the people inhabiting the two opposing camps. So strange.
You are right, yet I can sort of see where he's coming from. Some of the Remain 'you're stupid, you're racist, you're uneducated, you're old, you think we still have an empire (really?)' stuff was, and is, hugely counterproductive.
You are right, yet I can sort of see where he's coming from. Some of the Remain 'you're stupid, you're racist, you're uneducated, you're old, you think we still have an empire (really?)' stuff was, and is, hugely counterproductive.
Again, you're right, but it's the way people are. And by people I mean all of us, just to a greater or lesser extent.It is counterproductive becauase it pisses people off so they stop listening to you but the idea that people would decide which way to vote based on being pissed off by people online - instead of based on their analysis of what the vote means for their country - blows my mind. Cutting off their nose to spite their face. Bonkers.
You are right, yet I can sort of see where he's coming from. Some of the Remain 'you're stupid, you're racist, you're uneducated, you're old, you think we still have an empire (really?)' stuff was, and is, hugely counterproductive.
Again, you're right, but it's the way people are. And by people I mean all of us, just to a greater or lesser extent.
I truly hate twitter. People only follow those they agree with, and then use their tweets to prove how right they were in the first place. Well yeah, they would, wouldn't they?Yeah, possibly. Although I think people who spend a load of time on Facebook (and Twitter, to a lesser extent) are much more at risk of choosing their vote primarily on the basis that they want to piss certain people off.
I don’t think that was an issue a generation ago. Although I admit they may have been voting based on similarly shallow rationales (voting the way their parents would have etc.)
I'm with Pogue on this, I can't relate. It's just being stubborn and either doubling down or reacting to something you don't like irrationally in spite of the consequences. Why is that okay or understandable? Maybe I'm slightly overstating it, I'm not sure.
Just don't get it. If someone tells me I'm wrong about something I don't just put my fingers in my ears and ignore them, I hear them out, sometimes even change my position based on it. I've done it on here loads of times. I can accept if I'm wrong.
If someone suggest I do something or don't do something, I'll listen to the reasons why. Not stubbornly double down and do it anyway just because I don't like what they say or how they said. It's deeply problematic imo and partly why we are where we are.... That's all I'll say on it.
I truly hate twitter. People only follow those they agree with, and then use their tweets to prove how right they were in the first place. Well yeah, they would, wouldn't they?
The voting the way parents did is interesting, I've heard this a lot on the cafe, what class were you born into, and what did your parents do etc. I'll swear in my day everyone voted the opposite of their parents. That might have been just us hippies though.
I'm with Pogue on this, I can't relate. It's just being stubborn and either doubling down or reacting to something you don't like irrationally in spite of the consequences. Why is that okay or understandable? Maybe I'm slightly overstating it, I'm not sure.
Just don't get it. If someone tells me I'm wrong about something I don't just put my fingers in my ears and ignore them, I hear them out, sometimes even change my position based on it. I've done it on here loads of times. I can accept if I'm wrong.
If someone suggest I do something or don't do something, I'll listen to the reasons why. Not stubbornly double down and do it anyway just because I don't like what they say or how they said. It's deeply problematic imo and partly why we are where we are.... That's all I'll say on it.
What gain tho? What 2 steps forward?It’s not irrational to some people though. They think long term gain is worth some short term pain so the same arguments aren’t being listened to because most people already know, and accept it.
They see it as 1 step back and eventually many steps forward. A lot of people don’t seem to be able to grasp that and so they end up getting childish and calling everyone a blue passport wanker. That’s without even getting started on the real brexit fanatics
Exactly, and it's stupid. Let's call a spade a spade.People don't like to be belittled or made to feel stupid, even if they're demonstrably wrong. Even if it seems illogical, it's just how some people think.
There are many people who think emotionally rather than logically which is what has fuelled much of the Leave arguments.
It’s not irrational to some people though. They think long term gain is worth some short term pain so the same arguments aren’t being listened to because most people already know, and accept it.
They see it as 1 step back and eventually many steps forward. A lot of people don’t seem to be able to grasp that and so they end up getting childish and calling everyone a blue passport wanker. That’s without even getting started on the real brexit fanatics
This isn't a real phenomenon. The closest thing is a protest vote, which is a legitimate part of democracy.Voting in a particular way just to piss off a section of people must be one of the most stupid things an individual can do.
That would be a rationale for being pro-Brexit from day one. And I can sort of understand that. Tear the whole thing down and start again. All the more tempting when you haven’t got a lot to lose.
It’s the idea that someone might think staying in the EU is the best for their country, only to flip to Leave because they don’t like the way people talk about Leave voters that seems crazy.
Agreed.I also find the argument that you've changed your mind because of how the EU is treating us in negotiations, silly. You were told before hand that this is exactly how negotiations would go. So why get upset?
That's what some have described over the last couple of pages. Don't know anyone that votes like that personally.This isn't a real phenomenon. The closest thing is a protest vote, which is a legitimate part of democracy.