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Those tailbacks were the result of the start of new border checks … directly relating to BREXIT.

I should know, I was caught up in them.

This is what is still in front of me 3 hours after being one hour early for my crossing last Wednesday evening (the photo is taken at midnight and there were mothers with young children in the cars adjacent to me).



I finally got on a ferry 5 hours later than the one I booked. Got held up in the morning traffic across Europe and missed the start of the working day back in Germany.


Yikes.
 
Those tailbacks were the result of the start of new border checks … directly relating to BREXIT.

I should know, I was caught up in them.

This is what is still in front of me 3 hours after being one hour early for my crossing last Wednesday evening (the photo is taken at midnight and there were mothers with young children in the cars adjacent to me).

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I finally got on a ferry 5 hours later than the one I booked. Got held up in the morning traffic across Europe and missed the start of the working day back in Germany.

You were in a truck or on the car?:lol:
 
Weird reply. But … thanks, er, for your concern, I suppose?
You were in a truck or on the car?:lol:
What? Now I know for certain that you are just after an argument.

well feck off somewhere else you troll … you will not get one from me.

I was stood behind my car while getting water out of my boot to give to the family next to me if you must know!

You can even see my drivers side door (German) is open.
 
Weird reply. But … thanks, er, for your concern, I suppose?

What? Now I know for certain that you are just after an argument.

well feck off somewhere else you troll … you will not get one from me.

I was stood behind my car while getting water out of my boot to give to the family next to me if you must know!

Calm down, there is no argument. It's just a great angle.
 
Hard to tell. It should be too late, but it would be a very British thing to run it right down to the wire and then do a big dramatic last minute reversal in the name of common sense. Can’t bring myself to really hope for it though, given how totally fecked everything has been lately. Although we do have the governments economic impact reports coming out fairly soon. I think a lot will depend on how the press cover them. The Mail having a new editor could make for an interesting thing to watch.
I can see the government pushing through a halfway house brexit that satisfies nobody, despite a shift in voter sentiment.
 
Weird reply. But … thanks, er, for your concern, I suppose?

What? Now I know for certain that you are just after an argument.

well feck off somewhere else you troll … you will not get one from me.

I was stood behind my car while getting water out of my boot to give to the family next to me if you must know!

Dude, lighten up. You’re seeing insults in posts that aren’t there. “Yikes” was just my way of saying “oh dear, that must have been grim”

This whole misreading the tone of posts thing goes back to your first response to @JPRouve a page or two back. Dunno if you’re having a bad day or something but coming across bizarrely tetchy.
 
@Honest John Thanks for your answer, though I feel that you are underestimating the sovereignty issues, impression of distance from the EU or anti democratic image that has been spread by politicians and medias. There is also the Us vs them where them are in particular Germany and France, people seem to forget that until not so long ago the idea that Merkel was ruling the EU was still prevalent in the press, among politicians and on message boards, this is a big problem. Now I totally agree on the manipulation part and the idea that people where mainly unhappy with the situation in general, the problem is that the anti-EU side is important and influential.

Yes I agree with most of that. I wasn't entirely happy with the EU - many were not. However, it was for most of the general population, an annoyance rather than being the strength breadth of resentment now depicted.

I would have rather we stayed in and tried to reform. I believe that across the EU there was enough discontentment to have brought about change over time.

Cameron tried to get concessions. He managed to get some but they were largely seen as being not nearly enough. Personally I don't think they were given a chance to see if they would have worked.

The referendum result has scared the shit out of the EU and they are clearly concerned that others will follow suit if the UK is seen to benefit from it's decision.

Ironically, if by some miracle, we reversed the decision and stayed in, then the scare that this debacle has created may turn out to be enough to bring about the kind of reform that many people wanted.
 
Thinking about it, if we genuinely do look like heading for a crash out, people are going to be stocking up food like it was the last shopping day before Christmas. That’s going to make the resupply problem even more difficult. :nervous:
 
My critique of the original post (answered further back in the thread) was valid in my opinion.

The original post by the French guy was a broad sweeping nationalistic appraisal of Britain saying give up now you're all racists so you deserve BREXIT!

If you think that is not worthy of a repost then look very deep within your soul!

He's not far wrong, tbf.
 
Dude, lighten up. You’re seeing insults in posts that aren’t there. “Yikes” was just my way of saying “oh dear, that must have been grim”

This whole misreading the tone of posts thing goes back to your first response to @JPRouve a page or two back. Dunno if you’re having a bad day or something but coming across bizarrely tetchy.
He's not far wrong, tbf.
@Pogue Mahone … and this?
 
Yes I agree with most of that. I wasn't entirely happy with the EU - many were not. However, it was for most of the general population, an annoyance rather than being the strength breadth of resentment now depicted.

I would have rather we stayed in and tried to reform. I believe that across the EU there was enough discontentment to have brought about change over time.

Cameron tried to get concessions. He managed to get some but they were largely seen as being not nearly enough. Personally I don't think they were given a chance to see if they would have worked.

The referendum result has scared the shit out of the EU and they are clearly concerned that others will follow suit if the UK is seen to benefit from it's decision.

Ironically, if by some miracle, we reversed the decision and stayed in, then the scare that this debacle has created may turn out to be enough to bring about the kind of reform that many people wanted.

He managed to get them on top of those that Mrs. "I want my money back" already squeezed out of the remaining member states. The UK has enjoyed far more privileges than any other EU member.
And yet, you're right, that was largely seen as not nearly being enough. And for that reason, many people on the continent are fecking glad to see your country finally gone.
 

Fecking hell. The insanity of it all.

This bit is straight out of The Thick of It.

Officially, the government denied that Operation Brock - which plans to turn a 13-mile stretch of the southbound M20 into a lorry park while the northbound lanes were turned into a contra flow system for normal traffic - had anything to do with Brexit.

And it was not mentioned in the Department for Transport's Written Ministerial Statement announcing the move.

The changes were merely an interim solution to Operation Stack, it said.

But, at the Highways England consultation attended by Sky News, there were numerous references to March 2019 and to the possibility of new border posts.

In a Freedom of Information response to Sky News, Kent County Council revealed that Operation Brock is in fact an acronym for "Brexit Operations Across Kent".
 
Those tailbacks were the result of the start of new border checks … directly relating to BREXIT.

I should know, I was caught up in them.

What?!!!
Rubbish I was there two weeks ago and sailed through both ways with no hold-ups at all - what new border checks - it's just volume of traffic because of the holidays.
The UK haven't left yet - My favourite phrase. Wait till next year!!
 
He managed to get them on top of those that Mrs. "I want my money back" already squeezed out of the remaining member states. The UK has enjoyed far more privileges than any other EU member.
And yet, you're right, that was largely seen as not nearly being enough. And for that reason, many people on the continent are fecking glad to see your country finally gone.

The EU will be holding an independence day of its own;).
 
Man, that is just insane.

You have to wonder when these guys went "let's make a 13 mile long lorry park" did they think "hmm, maybe Brexit isn't a great idea after all?"

My favourite was..

The 2003 Le Touquet treaty states juxtaposed checks (UK checks in France and French checks in the UK) are for immigration only at Dover and Calais.

But, the 1986 Treaty of Canterbury set up that all controls for the Channel Tunnel should be juxtaposed.

So a no deal Brexit could require a quick emergency deal with France on these two treaties, or invoking some of the emergency clauses within them.

And yet, at Folkestone, where all French Channel Tunnel checks will have to be, there are just two spaces for lorries.
 
Project Fear strike again :rolleyes:

At what point will Brexiteers become Brexit-tears?

There'll be no tears. I'm surrounded by Brexiteers. We could be cannibalising each other in the streets and they'd still be going on about what a smart move Brexit was. Out means out and nodding their heads sagely is the reaction of the guys I work with to any potential brexit problem bought up.



Chill bro :D
 
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The worst thing about the brexiteers is for them to legitimately believe that at this point brexit is a good idea you have to withold all of your basic logical functions. This kind of stuff is when you realise humans will cause their own extinction. Stupid pride is more important to most people than the best logical conclusion for all.
 
I understand BROCK/BROAK is actually shorthand for:

Brexit
Orderly
Lorry
Lane
Organisation
Concerning
Kent
South East
 
When will you guys realise that the economic reality of hard brexit won't sway the brexiteers?
Theirs is an ideology. Just listen to Farage speak to casually about importing lower standard food products. It cuts a ross many industries. These people are trying to make money for themselves and their interests. The harder the better.
You think health insurance companies in the US or farmers or hedge fund managers aren't giving our politicians money to force open the UK market to them? You think people like Lord Rothermer won't like to turn this country into a tax haven?
 
When will you guys realise that the economic reality of hard brexit won't sway the brexiteers?
Theirs is an ideology. Just listen to Farage speak to casually about importing lower standard food products. It cuts a ross many industries. These people are trying to make money for themselves and their interests. The harder the better.
You think health insurance companies in the US or farmers or hedge fund managers aren't giving our politicians money to force open the UK market to them? You think people like Lord Rothermere won't like to turn this country into a tax haven?
He lives in France iirc and his company is offshore domiciled, plus he's talked about moving a lot of its operations to Ireland.
 


Begging France and Germany won't get him very far.
Perhaps the UK shouldn't have triggered Article 50 by accident.

It does prove how moronic this government is. He thinks that what Barnier says is his own personal decision and not what the EU27 countries have told him to say. Cretin.
 
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If you did a poll of Leave voters and ask them to choose between Leaving the EU and having enough food to eat... whoops, already did that, was called the referendum:wenger:

You're being too cynical, the UK would never cause a food shortage in Ireland...
 


Begging France and Germany won't get him very far.
Perhaps the UK shouldn't have triggered Article 50 by accident.

It does prove how moronic this government is. He thinks that what Barnier says is his own personal decision and not what the EU27 countries have told him to say. Cretin.

Arrogant and deluded twat but that’s common denominator across his base, so he has to pander.

Just shows how uk sees the world in a nutshell, it thinks that big and rich boys bullying smaller less fortunate countries into submission is a normality and proper way of world order failing to comprehend that EU foundations are built on exactly the opposite.
 
Arrogant and deluded twat but that’s common denominator across his base, so he has to pander.

Just shows how uk sees the world in a nutshell, it thinks that big and rich boys bullying smaller less fortunate countries into submission is a normality and proper way of world order failing to comprehend that EU foundations are built on exactly the opposite.

No they're not, eu do exactly the same. How easily we forget.