This is like one of those horror films where you can see the characters are going outside in the dark instead of staying safe inside and there is nothing you can do about it when they get attacked by zombies and all you can shout, with tears in your eyes, is "They should have stayed inside! They should have stayed inside!"
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"this is going badly"
Well yeah. Hopefully he doesn’t just down tools like the other 500 MPs have because they didn’t get their own way
The fact we're discussing the very idea of whether we'll have enough food or not is the troublesome part...
Mere Semantics. Food is overrated anyhow
Remainers can't undo Brexit if everyone starves and there's no one here anymore!
The Brexiteers will survive on the seemingly limitless amount of werthers originals hidden in odd places around their retirement homes
Stop being such a scaremonger. We will just simply have to start eating each other. We’re all in this together or inside each other for want of a better phrase.
How did we ever survive before the Eu? Sure it's not quite the same but I think we will survive lol.
by taking over half the world and stealing their shit, good luck trying that again lol
Our political leaders generally survived by sending young men off to fight wars for their benefit against a lot of those European countries. That and colonialism.
I jest...partly, in that we were obviously not in the EU when it was first founded, and were largely doing fine. But the political landscape's now changed, and the EU encompasses a good portion of Europe. Suddenly changing the terms and conditions on which we operate with those countries while expecting the same benefits we had before with additional benefits just for ourselves won't work, and yet is still being proposed as a viable solution.
Are they stockpiling spam?
Survival? Not the highest aspiration when you think about it.
We really weren't. Why do you think we wanted in?
Ironically @Mozza, as a fellow Asian, I know family and friends who voted along the same lines as those white racists.
They didn't want more Eastern Europeans coming into the country.
They didn't want more Eastern Europeans coming into the country.
Fine in the sense that despite our troubles we weren't quite to the extent of absolute chaos. Although obviously, yeah, anyone calling those times the 'good old days' is clearly being delusional.
So they were racist too?
Ethnic minorities can be racist too. I belong to one, and have observed it being quite prevalent first hand. We all have our share of cnuts regardless of skin colour and ethnic background.
Yes, lots of us know racist leave voters.
Can i put in an early request for Frey Bentos pies and luncheon meat.
I can't stand Goblin meat pudding and corned beef, so can we use that to barter for goods once Boris Johnson screws the economy.
I'm also gambling on buying trays of cans of London Grill and burying them in the garden. That way I can fleece Cockneys for them when the financial sector collapses and London just remains a centre for musicals and prostitution.
I can't stand Goblin meat pudding and corned beef, so can we use that to barter for goods once Boris Johnson screws the economy.
I'm also gambling on buying trays of cans of London Grill and burying them in the garden. That way I can fleece Cockneys for them when the financial sector collapses and London just remains a centre for musicals and prostitution.
That was not my question. I was asking if their vote was racist since they specifically targeted Eastern Europeans with their vote.
Yes? What makes you think that's a question worth asking?
I think people underestimate the number. At the very least No one can argue that if the racist votes were not cast then logic would dictate with the vote being so close then remain would have won.
Yes, because their reasons for leaving/voting would be racially motivated.
I generally assume between a quarter and a third of voters in Western countries are clearly racist.
Ofcourse it’s worth asking. I wanted to clarify that’s what he meant and it was not just a badly worded statement.
Also people could argue that too many Eastern Europeans are migrating to their areas and taking up resources and healthcare places which is the normal complaint one here’s from brexiters
Yes and it's usually from racists who don't live in areas with large migrant populations.
I wish there was an island somewhere to get away from all this. One that had WiFi access of course ...
Based on how people in Europe, America and Australia vote. It's an 'educated' guess but I reckon countries would average around a quarter if they had a clear-cut 'should we send them all back' referendum.
Probably get a rough idea by quantifying the far right and extremist parties around the world and how many votes they get.
It's far more complex than that
The British Asian vote for Brexit contains a few surprises
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/02/20/the-british-asian-vote-for-brexit-contains-a-few-surprises/
Minority ethnic attitudes and the 2016 EU referendum
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/minority-ethnic-attitudes-and-the-2016-eu-referendum/
Yes your right that to say a large part was down anti immigration feeling and racism but it is to simply to label it as just that. Because to do that misses a whole part of how racism, xenophobia work. As well as the way national identities are formed and who gets to form them.
I managed to persuade some of them to focus on the bigger implications of Brexit and even got some of them to change their vote but some of the older generation are so stubborn.
Despite being immigrants themselves, they seemed to lack any empathy for people coming over here to start a new life from poorer parts of Europe.
Even stranger was that news story I remember reading about a Polish immigrant who was voting to leave as he didn't want other EU immigrants to enjoy the same benefits as he had. There's a real case of "having a slice of the cake but not letting anyone else eat it" mentality with these sort of people and I'd bet my house that there is similar crossover with the Baby Boomer Bastards.
Thanks for your candid response. Do they even realise that they’re are voters who want them to leave also?
I'm not sure the difference between them and a racist is particularly relevant.
I'm not even convinced people who say racist shit as a matter of routine are technically racist anymore. I think in some cases they'd perfectly friendly and reasonable if they actually had to deal with foreign people. I suspect they dont though and the current narrative that their lives are a bit crap because of foreigners taking their jobs lead to them putting their frustrations, disappointments and spite towards complaining about other races.
Just thought that story @Paul the Wolf was telling a couple of weeks back about visiting people who voted leave and them praising and really talking up the job some polish guys did on their house and their foreign doctor was interesting. Made me question the racism of racists a bit
And voters that think that leaving the EU will stop Pakistanis/Indians/Bangladeshis coming over.
How on earth can you give the power to do something as huge as exiting the European Union, especially with such vague implications, to people as dumb as this?
And voters that think that leaving the EU will stop Pakistanis/Indians/Bangladeshis coming over.
How on earth can you give the power to do something as huge as exiting the European Union, especially with such vague implications, to people as dumb as this?
I have seen a number of incidents where Eastern Europeans and Ethnic minoritie get stacked physically and verbally with people saying things like “your time is up “and “brexit means f@ck off”
Racism is a strange one. It tends to manifest itself in a number of different ways. You'll get people who're mostly okay with Eastern Europeans etc but who are fearful of Muslims. You'll get people who're generally negative about immigrants in general...except the ones they happen to know and who they trust. You'll get people who think these things and vote along these lines, without saying so openly. You'll get people who're racist in groups who experience racism themselves.
On the other hand, you'll get people who're outwardly positive about immigration but who quickly resort to nasty stereotypes/generalisations when discussing immigrants and immigration. You'll get people who are fickle, and who change what they think depending on the general mood at the time.
No one is inherently born racist, but at the same time humans do often find themselves falling to innate prejudices to people they conceive as being 'other' or as a threat. If you're looking for the number of Brexiteers who're full-on KKK 'expel all immigrants' racist, then your number will be incredibly small. If you're looking at Brexiteers whose views on immigration/race are at least partly problematic, but not completely irredeemable, then I imagine your numbers will be a lot higher.
On the other hand, you'll get people who're outwardly positive about immigration but who quickly resort to nasty stereotypes/generalisations when discussing immigrants and immigration. You'll get people who are fickle, and who change what they think depending on the general mood at the time.
No one is inherently born racist, but at the same time humans do often find themselves falling to innate prejudices to people they conceive as being 'other' or as a threat. If you're looking for the number of Brexiteers who're full-on KKK 'expel all immigrants' racist, then your number will be incredibly small. If you're looking at Brexiteers whose views on immigration/race are at least partly problematic, but not completely irredeemable, then I imagine your numbers will be a lot higher.
A year after we went into the EU (without a referendum BTW) we had a three day week as we didn't have enough electricity to run industry for longer. We had blackouts and in general it was very chaotic.
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