Nice obfuscation but you haven’t really answered the question - why is the Labour Party leadership enabling a policy that will hit hardest those it is supposed to look out for?
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Nice obfuscation but you haven’t really answered the question - why is the Labour Party leadership enabling a policy that will hit hardest those it is supposed to look out for?
I seem to remember there was a referendum and one side won and the other lost. There is such an urge to reverse the outcome of that, after seeing the 2 years since, from the electorate that the only party who have come close to calling for a second referendum is polling at about 9%, whilst the Tories have had their numbers hit by people apparently returning to UKIP because the plans aren't tough enough. Similar to how Corbyn isn't keen on the monarchy or Trident, but can't make it party policy because he doesn't have the numbers, there isn't the numbers in trying reverse or soften it. Partly because of Leavers in the party, who we did try and make it easier for local parties to get rid of, but you know deselections are what Stalin did or something and partly because of the wet lettuce rebels in the government, who don't rebel. But yeah, it's definitely Labour who are enabling Brexit.
I'd love to go back to the glory days where Corbyn was leading a party of protest and wasn't interested in power and show people how quickly he'd be criticised for literally the exact opposite.
These issues - while important symbolically - don't have too much of an impact on the day-to-day lives of people within the country. Indeed part of the case for advocating for both to be scrapped is that they're seen as huge wastes of public money, mostly just there either as nostalgic relics or as a meaningless show of force.
A hard Brexit should it occur will have a massive impact on the daily lives of Brits and will likely lead to a significant economic downturn. If that happens then those who advocated for it or defended it will likely be out on their arses for their lack of foresight/lying to the public. Considering Corbyn has mostly advocated a hard Brexit there's a somewhat reasonable chance he'd be included in that.
You're talking about how the numbers aren't there for it but then this is all stuff that could've been said about Corbyn in the latter stages of 2016 and early 2017 when his polling numbers were dire and everyone assumed the Tories would walk the election. Anyone thinking he can just change his position on a whim and advocate a soft Brexit is being naive and fails to understand a lot of the changes we've seen within the UK, but at the same time Labour and Corbyn certainly aren't helping fight back against anti-immigration sentiment by basically placating those who dislike immigrants, and saying the numbers aren't there for it strikes me as an excuse that's about as strong as a Blairite arguing the same thing in regards to austerity.
Again - there's some sense in his approach because he's ultimately not in power right now, but I struggle to see him doing particularly well if the worst no deal scenario does end up occurring and he's not been seen to have done anything about that.
That and supporting Brexit all his life, yeah.
Funny, someone freaking out over Brexit could use these exact words as justification for why they're terrified
Inflation fecks the small man, the BOE will let us eat high inflation, it has since 2008 and there's no reason why it wouldn't now
Professor Minford who is often the go-to for the Brexiteers: "it seems likely that we would mostly eliminate manufacturing, leaving mainly industries such as design, marketing and high-tech. But this shouldn’t scare us”"
How many people who work in the car factories voted to "mostly eliminate" manufacturing?
How many people who work in the car factories voted to "mostly eliminate" manufacturing?
I’m past the point of caring what people voted for in the referendum. My focus now is on taking steps to protect myself and my family from a possible hard Brexit. It’s no longer a theoretical risk and you can’t rely on the politicians to protect you. If you had any sense, you would be doing the same.
Minford's the cnut who convinced Thatcher to destroy half of British industry in the first place, for no better reason than to put the working class in their place.
Remember what the EU did to Greece? That’s austerity.
But what about these super duper trade deals the UK will be doing with the rest of the world that they are prevented from doing now.
But if there is no car manufacturing and their biggest current exports to the USA, China , Australia etc are cars what will they be exporting instead - not only to make up for the loss of their car exports but to increase their overall exports . Whoops another Brexit cock-up.
The public will not blame themselves for supporting Brexit. They will blame the politicians who misled them and it will be vicious.
Look at Iraq. There was widespread popular support for the invasion. Blair even won a re election. Try to find someone who supported it now.
Well yeah, that was exactly the point I was making. May/Corbyn/Boris/Rees-Mogg/everyone else who's tacitly backed Brexit won't be judged kindly after this. Albeit Corbyn (obviously and sensibly) won't take as much flak as those in government because he's only supported its implementation and not been the one actually implementing it.
I'll pass on hoping the likes of Anna Soubry and Vince Cable find political Jesus and go back on every single vote they nodded through for the last decade. I've only got so much breath to hold. They don't care about anybody but themselves and cuddling up to them won't change it, it doesn't even change their votes.
Still discussing angels, pins and dancing I see.
How has the cheering masses lauding Soubry and Cable at the Brexit march changed their approach since? Other than the latter being so stirred by the scenes and cause that he missed a vote, obviously.
Angels, pins, dancing. Obtusely.
No. High inflation fecks everyone. If anything it's one few negative financial metrics that do affect the rich as well as poor. If you mean that they are felt more by the poor, then well...duh. If you're poor anything that hits your finances will be felt with greater impact to your lifestyle that to a rich person.
And what high inflation since 2008? Are you thinking straight? We had one short period with high inflation if I recall in 2010? Heady heights of 4.5% or something. We've had average inflation of 2.7% over the last 10 years. Well within normal rates. And that's despite having to navigate a period where we had a financial system in collapse that required saving, an economy that needed QE to keep operating, a massive budget deficit and finally unemployment figures at double of today's numbers. I'd say all things considered, inflation was somehow kept at pretty low levels despite a highly unstable economy.
I suppose You think that the fact that the very people who are responsible for planning, strategizing and stearing us away from complete chaos have jumped ship after realising the inevitable is cause for concern?
Your a typical doom merchant...
So we've averaged above target and almost always ahead of wages, really helps the little man that
I'm at the point where my answer to that question is "who cares". If you're a turkey who voted for Christmas I'll nominate you for a Darwin award when they next come up.
Aye. Cause a seized up financial system helps the little man even more, eh?
We should have let the banks collapse and not brought down the interest rates to 0 and printed money, you're right. Definitely the wrong response from the government and the BoE on that. We should have sent the economy back to the middle ages cause you know... the little man would've fecking loved that.
That's sarcasm by the way.
You seem aware of all the steps they took to combat the crash but when it happens after a hard Brexit you seem to think inflation will be foremost in their minds, it won't
Yes, they don't believe anyone who says anything negative about Brexit.
I wonder if we will get one of the notices here in France since we're part of those who supposedly need the UK more than they need the EU.
Most people believe the UK have already left, in spirit at least, and few will notice the difference when they do.
Because I don't think Brexit will be crash. I don't think everything will go tits up in a year with anywhere near the same severity as what happened in 2008. I believe it will be a worsening of private and public finances over time post-Brexit, rather than a crash. Hence a different response from the BoE.
If it were a crash, then yes I would expect the BoE and the Treasury to take whatever steps are most necessary to recover the situation. And like in 2008, inflation would not be at the forefront of the thoughts of the BoE and neither mine nor yours.
Theres doom mongering for a reason, stop with this it will be alright nonsense.
So if we crash they won't control inflation, which is what I said in the first place
No you didn't. You responded to a message that described a reaction (increasing interest rates) to a gradually weakening currency, while the rest of the fundamentals stay the same. You mentioned nothing of a crash. And you made the assertion that we've been eating high inflation because it's been 0.7% above target. Which is laughable really.
Please, tell us more about these 'mates' of yours...
So yeah, about that 'mistake'....
Shocking that they did that. Right up here with making a desperately ill MP come in to the house in a wheelchair with a sick bag last time. Absolute cnuts.
Despicable wankers. Such a weird job. Being a “whip”. Even the name sounds evil. Yer man in that photo looks like he was born to that vocation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/education-44872808
It's quite nuts to see all of this stuff slow down before the UK has even left the EU, tell-tale signs that no-deal would be awful for the UK, and yet it's still full steam ahead for them on it.
It's quite nuts to see all of this stuff slow down before the UK has even left the EU, tell-tale signs that no-deal would be awful for the UK, and yet it's still full steam ahead for them on it.
Initially where I used to work, there'd been an increase in international postgrads when Sterling fell and it became more affordable. I guess that didn't last long in the face of massive, massive uncertainty
Feck all will happen to them, MP's have such low accountability these days.
I'm sure he'd meant to say they "must not" break the pair, but it accidentally came out as "must".
The major central banks have been desperately trying to inject inflation into the system, but failing.
QE hasn't worked as planned cos banks have kept hold of the cash rather than lend it. There have been loads of deflationary forces too- growth has been weak, competitive currency devaluing, end of the Chinese commodity super-cycle, companies hoarding cash etc...
Government probably don't mind this, will allow them to fudge immigration numbers somehow no doubt even though we'll be losing out on tons of talented individuals who could offer us a lot.