The referendum was an opinion poll and it has proven to have been mostly based on lies and misconceptions. Even leaving aside the manipulation from Russia and CA so much information has now come to light that I think it would only be fair to the good people of Britain (and to the integrity of the voting process) to offer a new opinion poll to see where the country now stands.
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The cheek of some people calling the Scottish independence movement 'rooted in anti-Englishness', when you have this mess of a government in charge of the UK! The Westminster system, the chamber, the 'debating', it's all barbaric in comparison to a proper modern parliamentary system. Part of me really does empathise with those who were duped into voting for brexit, the current representation for people in England is shocking.
No, MPs and public workers should start doing their jobs instead of putting it on people that will never be in a position to individually understand every aspects of several international treaties. These people are supposed to counsel the electorate and they are doing the exact opposite.
Then roll it back to no BREXIT and start from there. We cannot start your version of political utopia from an unworkable position brought about by a weak government and a manipulated vote.
God it's sad that our representative democracy is so broken that it functioning properly can be described as a 'political utopia'.
Let's just all agree to never have a referendum on the death penalty. The way this one is going we'd have the prime minister declaring its what the people voted for as people all over Britain get their heads chopped off for parking offences.
Yeah, pick on that part of my post not the message.
How is that political utopia? It's the most basic aspect of a representative democracy, which you are supposed to be. The promise and use of a referendum on foreign policy logically worsened your national politic because no one can actually give a simple short answer.
so true. "We won, we won" they shout as their grandchildren are executed for overdue library fees.All of Europe is occupied with brexit because of the British public. This self loathing of the British voter is completely despicable considering they vote in people who then go on to change regimes in other countries and are utterly useless in absolutely everything.
This shitshow is 100% on British voters and no one else. Enough of them chose to believe people like Farage and Boris.
Isn't that what the country voted for though???
No, since brexiteers are saying that the EU is mean because they don't offer a "good" deal.
I mean...technically speaking, no. All the country ever officially voted for was to depart from the European Union. The terms and conditions under which we did this we left open to interpretation to whatever government was implementing Brexit.
I'd have a bit more sympathy for the hard Brexiteers if they'd actually had a solid plan for implementing what they want to happen, but it's pretty clear that what they want isn't feasible in reality and involves the EU making compromises they've clearly told us over and over again they have no desire nor need to make. And because of that...hard Brexit just doesn't work.
Silly as it may sound as an analogy, if the UK were to have a referendum on making everyone a millionaire tomorrow, then even if the country supported such a move it'd quite clearly be a delusional non-starter that wouldn't be implemented. Similarly, if hard Brexiteers want their version of Brexit to take place then they should actually present a plan which involves this not being complete and utter fantasy and which actually works.
A part of me absolutely loved the cognitive dissonance of Theresa May when she was explaining to the Scottish people the many benefits of being in a union when they were proposing to leave the UK while simultaneously trying to convince the people of the UK that being in a union is a bad thing and independence and sovereignty is a good thing.
It really encapsulated the preposterousness of the whole situation.
Isn't that a major iphone security flaw? Don't tell me the apps themselves manage the permissions?
Not at all mate, you control which apps have access to your data.
Yeah I don’t believe that the app still posted a picture from their library despite them refusing permission, if it did that would be a major security flaw for iOS rather than just that app.
Accessing photos is a system call which requires the application to request permission from the kernel to access the file system. That’s why all applications that require files/camera/microphone access have that pop up for user input. If they grant it access is allowed, otherwise the application thread has no physical way of accessing the filesystem, it literally has no knowledge of its existence.
I think I've had enough of Brexit opinion polls and referendums thank you very much. No doubt after the second poll some people will want a third poll, or a fourth poll to see if anything's changed again.
Or maybe we'll end up having one referendum a year, just because the politicians like a good laugh.
It's interesting though to see how opinions have changed or haven't changed. In retrospect it seems absurd to have the decision made by millions of people two years before it takes place, a lot can happen in two years, does it make sense to not have an opportunity to change that decision as (new) information is learned by the voting public.
In the case of a 2nd referendum and remain winning, I can see their being a campaign for a 3rd from leavers so we can have a best of 3.
You'll be lucky if it stops at three. The hardcore Remainers and Brexiteers will go at it forever.
Thank you David Cameron.
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Ben Bradley has taken a principled stance against the Chequers Brexit policy and resigned 4 days later.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/10/eu-michel-barnier-brexit-deal-four-fifths-agreed
EU negotiator Michel Barnier says 80% of Brexit deal is agreed
EU negotiator Michel Barnier says 80% of Brexit deal is agreed
If only the UK thought the same eh.
I.e. we've capitulated to 80% of their demands so far
That can't be real.
It's amazing how the Tory party is managing to look in chaos but simultaneously is (somewhat) improving it's public image as most of the MPs/people resigning are the genuine scum/shite of the party.
These resigning's and reshuffling's reminding how many cnuts there are in the Tory party if nothing else.
Presumably waiting to see if he got promoted first?
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I'm sure Ben Bradley's resignation letter just got lost in the post, making it simply look like he'd waited to see if he'd get a promotion after the previous ministerial resignations and then sent it when it became clear he wouldn't.
OK, live with BREXIT then and stop complaining
I disagree with this. If membership of the EU has certain conditions, benefits and obligations attached to it, then it goes without saying, that if you opt to leave, you are also giving up those conditions, benefits and obligations, are you not?
I don't understand how Britain has opted to leave but still want to retain the benefits of staying in??
I repeat, wasn't that the whole idea of the 'Brexit means Brexit' mantra??
No. We didn't vote on whether or not we wanted to opt out of those terms and conditions. All we voted on was our continuing membership of the European Union. Switzerland and Norway aren't in the EU but follow plenty of the terms and conditions of the EU on certain key matters.
The 'Brexit means Brexit' mantra was repeatedly constantly but again those who advocate a hard Brexit haven't given any indication of a plan as to how this is economically viable and more importantly how they will implement an Irish border without violating the GFA. And due to that a soft Brexit appears to be the only reasonable compromise between both sides - leaving the EU in name but not causing too much economic damage by remaining closely tied to them.
Well like you said the perplexing part is that Brexiteers want benefits without the obligations and thought that Brexit was the road to that goal. It makes no sense but that's what they were seemingly aiming for.
That was the fantasy sold to voters, unfortunately.
How silly of me for being so cynical
