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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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I voted remain. But remain didn't win and leave did win. The moral high ground is theirs. If you totally ignore them with some line that "you didn't know what you were voting for", you'll be asking for trouble.

So some way needs to be found and it won't be another referendum
Yes trouble would be awful wouldn't it, best stay on the current strong and stable path instead.
 
If there's no confidence vote, is this basically a way for Davis and Boris to pretend they have principles by standing down, while not having to effect any genuine change by implementing a Brexit they know won't work?
I don't think May is in any danger of losing a confidence vote.

Can't this plonker just feck off to Yankee land.
 
I went to greece just after the euro was introduced, the locals could not stop complaining about it.

I was in the UK when decimalisation was introduced, and the locals could not stop complaining about, and some still do now.

That really shows how low we have sunk.

Sadly, I fear there is still a long way further to fall.
17.4 million voters should be held personally responsible. Ignorance is no excuse.

Tuning in for the next episode of "Rats leaving the sinking ship"
 
She said no custom union, no single market, no ECJ and no freedom of movement. Which essentially means no deal and leads to the question, why is she negotiating with the EU?

This was somehow interpreted as a soft Brexit on here yesterday:confused:.

Furthermore, even more ridiculous are the Cabinet ministers resigning because she's effectively asking for No Deal.
 

The bit about juggernaut window heights is a strange inclusion. It's obvious he was being fobbed off as he was seen as a distraction … if the British government wanted to legislate that they could have done it independently of Europe if it were viable – it simply isn't.

Are we really suffering BREXIT because Boris, as London mayor, didn't get a Boris Juggernaut to sit alongside the Boris bike? How can you legislate to change something that drives right across Europe without involving EUROPE :confused:
 
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Trump when he shows up to Downing Street this week.

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The bit about juggernaut window heights is a strange inclusion. It's obvious he was being fobbed off as he was seen as a distraction … if the British government wanted to legislate that they could have done it independently of Europe.

I found that passage particularly strange. I think its a deliberate attempt at emotiveness in the absence of any coherent rational economic argument.
 
His opening paragraph omits the inconvenient fact that the Leave campaign broke the law, and so undermined his precious 'democracy'.
 
This was somehow interpreted as a soft Brexit on here yesterday:confused:.

Furthermore, even more ridiculous are the Cabinet ministers resigning because she's effectively asking for No Deal.

I don't know, I understand why @Adisa reads a soft brexit, it's not because of what is written or what she says but because she is seemingly negotiating with the EU. Now for me there is an angle that is interesting to explore, no deal doesn't require any negotiations, so if she isn't going for soft brexit then she is just acting in a way that will keep her in Downing Street for as long as possible. If she publicly states that no deal is the way, then her party doesn't need her and they are all going to fight for her place.

In the end, there is very little to say which way this government wants to go.
 
Someone on another board wrote that Johnson's letter is 'essentially an application letter for the PM job'.
 
Am I to understand that May who originally campaigned Remain now has delivered a 'softer' Brexit, effectively getting Davis and Johnson out of the administration and is likely to survive a no-confidence motion? I'm not sure if this is genius or clown worthy.
 
Someone on another board wrote that Johnson's letter is 'essentially an application letter for the PM job'.

I despise him. Hidden behind that buffoon persona for far too long. He knows exactly what he's doing and if anyone's a spineless jellyfish it's him.
 
Farage:

"In March 2019, the current leader of Ukip, Gerard Batten, will reach the end of his term in office. Unless Brexit is back on track by then, I will have to seriously consider putting my name forward to return as Ukip leader."
 
Am I to understand that May who originally campaigned Remain now has delivered a 'softer' Brexit, effectively getting Davis and Johnson out of the administration and is likely to survive a no-confidence motion? I'm not sure if this is genius or clown worthy.
It's great for her... Up until the leavers are so infuriated, they vote against her in commons... Effectively triggering a general election.

Which will almost certainly deliver a hung parliament, which isn't what the leavers want either so they'll try to avoid that if possible.

But if there is a hung parliament, the brexit will probably be negotiated with a cross party group of lib Dems, labour and maybe still the Tories. And a competent brexit much actually be brought forward
 
Farage:

"In March 2019, the current leader of Ukip, Gerard Batten, will reach the end of his term in office. Unless Brexit is back on track by then, I will have to seriously consider putting my name forward to return as Ukip leader."
Few, I was worried for a minute.
 
I don't know, I understand why @Adisa reads a soft brexit, it's not because of what is written or what she says but because she is seemingly negotiating with the EU. Now for me there is an angle that is interesting to explore, no deal doesn't require any negotiations, so if she isn't going for soft brexit then she is just acting in a way that will keep her in Downing Street for as long as possible. If she publicly states that no deal is the way, then her party doesn't need her and they are all going to fight for her place.

In the end, there is very little to say which way this government wants to go.

But since Day one she has been negotiating and asking for the impossible. It is just different cake.
No deal is catastrophic and she knows it.

Nothing about this whole farce is about the good of the country or even the will of the people, it is on ly about keeping the Tories in power.
 
17.4 million voters should be held personally responsible. Ignorance is no excuse.
I personally don't think it was ignorance. Nobody including the main Brexiteers in the government knew the complexities of an exit. We now have a government who are fudging the issue based on appeasing their colleagues and their personal ambitions and futures as MPs.

If we go without a deal what happens if the USA, China, India, etc decide to put up tariffs on certain items we export as is happening with Trump? As a European bloc we can retaliate as a small country we'd be in a pickle.
 
I personally don't think it was ignorance. Nobody including the main Brexiteers in the government knew the complexities of an exit. We now have a government who are fudging the issue based on appeasing their colleagues and their personal ambitions and futures as MPs.

If we go without a deal what happens if the USA, China, India, etc decide to put up tariffs on certain items we export as is happening with Trump? As a European bloc we can retaliate as a small country we'd be in a pickle.

Based on WTO, without a deal everyone will put tarrifs on everything.
 
Based on WTO, without a deal everyone will put tarrifs on everything.
I understand. I personally think the bigger economies outside of the UK would be delighted to weaken the EU bloc. Especially Russia, US and China. Russia due to different reasons than trade.
 
Johnson was a shit politician but a 'big' personality.
 
But we'd have to put a hard border between NI and ROI to trade under the WTO right?
Yes!

Without a deal you'll be able to shake each others hand over the border, extend your neck out and kiss each other but can't trade legally. Unbelievable!