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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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They need to go for something because if we stay within the pillars there will be nothing short of a revolution in this country however much people on here might think the Brexiters have changed their minds.

Ignore the people at your peril.

What will they do?
 
They need to go for something because if we stay within the pillars there will be nothing short of a revolution in this country however much people on here might think the Brexiters have changed their minds.

Ignore the people at your peril.

I don't think the youth has much to fear from the Statin Brigade
 
They need to go for something because if we stay within the pillars there will be nothing short of a revolution in this country however much people on here might think the Brexiters have changed their minds.

Ignore the people at your peril.

Then you will simply leave without an FTA. If the UK are against everything that constitute an FTA then they shouldn't negotiate for one. And EU member have their own people to take care of, they don't really care about an outsider electorate.
 
I agree but she can't say the opposite even if she doesn't mean it.

But do you realized that there is a fair chance that your optimism is simply wishful thinking. She hasn't offered the beginning of something that would look like a genuine soft Brexit or even a deal.
 
Ok lets think through some scenarios..

Assuming there is a vote of confidence, what does May need to win? A simple majority?

If she gets that, does she still need parliament to force through any deal? Would she get enough votes?
 
The drawback to Maybot claiming everything is is whats best for Britain as a default answer is that her defending position changes every week.

At this point I doubt she remembers what her current proposal is
 
But do you realized that there is a fair chance that your optimism is simply wishful thinking. She hasn't offered the beginning of something that would look like a genuine soft Brexit or even a deal.
Yes. What she's offering will never get us a deal with the EU and my previous post is wishful thinking. My point is even if she is fully prepared to concede on all of EU's demands (hypothetically), she can not say it until the threat of no deal is abundantly clear to her cabinet, parliament and the public. She'll be gone before she can blink. We have not reached that point.
Again, I admit that is wishful thinking and perhaps she has no desire to cede on those issues. But my wishful thinking isn't entirely based on thin air. The document they produced on Friday makes vague references that they are prepared to erode those red lines. I am not confident but I believe when push comes to shove, we will cave.
 
Also if a vote of no confidence is called I'm not convinced that it would even be in Labours best interest to help oust May.

She'd be a goner at some point anyway and her replacement is likely to be a hard brexiteer.
 
A mess.

Many people are affected and worried about their future.

But zero consequences for those who created the mess. Cameron and the "vote leave" politicians are doing fine.
 
I don't understand what the point is of this white paper. It's more of a white elephant than a white paper.

Cant help but believe thats the deal they're selling to the British Public and the resignations and crying are about the concessions they're going to make from that position. Its a soft Brexit. She's probably already sold a deal to Merkel
 
Vote of no confidence incoming according to Keunssberg.

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Laura Kuenssberg
@bbclaurak
Source - ‘Either she dumps Chequers or another Minister will go, then another, then another, then another.’
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First Maggie Philbin, then Theresa May.
 
It would mean a GE and Labour would win a landslide purely out of protest. What Labour would do with that situation as regards Brexit I do not know

No chance, people will put the tories back in charge and carry on moaning how shit they are, there is historic data that is not so old that proves this theory. Thats what has always got my goat up about people in this thread, they are happy to call brexiters idiots but think they are so smart voting for the very party that put the uk where it is. So for that reason alone there is part of me that wants tory voters to suffer badly with a hard brexit.

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No chance, people will put the tories back in charge and carry on moaning how shit they are, there is historic data that is not so old that proves this theory. Thats what has always got my goat up about people in this thread, they are happy to call brexiters idiots but think they are so smart voting for the very party that put the uk where it is. So for that reason alone there is part of me that wants tory voters to suffer badly with a hard brexit.

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I thought most of this forum didn't vote Tory?
 
They need to go for something because if we stay within the pillars there will be nothing short of a revolution in this country however much people on here might think the Brexiters have changed their minds.

Ignore the people at your peril.
Yes Citizen Smith. Brexiteers are no more going to riot any more than Remainers are rioting now.
 
It's like the whole country is watching BREXIT axle-slide down a never-ending steel handrail just waiting for the moment that the board skids out and it lands squarely on its nuts, so we can laugh and get back on with our lives … but somehow, it just seems to keep going :confused:
 
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James O'Brien@mrjamesob
"People are going to lose their jobs because Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson persuaded them that the curvature of a banana was politically significant."
 
It's like the whole country is watching BREXIT axle-slide down a never-ending steel handrail just waiting for the moment that the board skids out and it lands squarely on its nuts … and somehow, it just seems to keep going :confused:
I mean it's basically voluntarily jumping off a cliff-edge and bringing everyone else with you.
 
Most if not all voted for a party with eurosceptic leaders but the tory voters can just suffer for my enjoyment
This is an over simplified view. There are large areas of the country with seats that are a 2 horse race. Where voting Lib Dem or Green is a vote for the Tories. The idea that people should waste their vote just to make a point is ridiculous and harmful to the country.
 
Also if a vote of no confidence is called I'm not convinced that it would even be in Labours best interest to help oust May.

She'd be a goner at some point anyway and her replacement is likely to be a hard brexiteer.

It's a weird one for them. She's a handy lame duck PM to have and is in the parties best interests at this point if they want a soft Brexit - still, a lot of members will no doubt smell blood and the party may come across as weak and ineffective if they allow her to stay on. Difficult one in regards to how they should play it.
 
This is an over simplified view. There are large areas of the country with seats that are a 2 horse race. Where voting Lib Dem or Green is a vote for the Tories. The idea that people should waste their vote just to make a point is ridiculous and harmful to the country.
Well its a good job the country is in safe hands right now then
 
If there's no confidence vote, is this basically a way for Davis and Boris to pretend they have principles by standing down, while not having to effect any genuine change by implementing a Brexit they know won't work?
 
Well its a good job the country is in safe hands right now then
It's not but a futile vote for someone who has no chance of apposing the Tories which ends up giving an extra seat to the Tories is just a wasted gesture that has the negative affect of strengthening this government.
 
If there's no confidence vote, is this basically a way for Davis and Boris to pretend they have principles by standing down, while not having to effect any genuine change by implementing a Brexit they know won't work?
This has been the plan all along.
 
If there's no confidence vote, is this basically a way for Davis and Boris to pretend they have principles by standing down, while not having to effect any genuine change by implementing a Brexit they know won't work?
The problem with a vote of No confidence is that it probably ends and chance of a deal as any leadership vote would take past the deadline to conclude.
 
It's not but a futile vote for someone who has no chance of apposing the Tories which ends up giving an extra seat to the Tories is just a wasted gesture that has the negative affect of strengthening this government.
If everyone is on the same page you can get anyone elected in place of the 2 main parties, it's just easier to use the excuse of No Point.